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Long-Term Test: 2004 Toyota Sienna

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Long-Term Test: 2004 Toyota Sienna

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    Five years ago Honda redefined the standards by which all future minivans would be judged. No longer was it enough to build a front-wheel-drive box of a vehicle with dual-sliding doors and seating for seven. Now said vehicle needed to make intelligent use of the space inside, providing spacious and comfortable accommodations for its passengers, reconfigurable second-row seating (that is, captain's chairs that could slide together or scoot fore/aft) and a third-row seat that folded into the floor — allowing parents to transition between hauling passengers and cargo at a moment's notice, while sparing them the hassle of carting around heavy seats.

    The driving experience didn't go unnoticed by Honda's engineers, either, as the Odyssey showed up with 210 horsepower (which increased to a class-leading 240 in 2002) and responsive handling characteristics which together made it feel quick and nimble for a van of its size. Add in a few well-placed cupholders and storage areas and the company's strong reputation for build quality and long-term durability, and it's not hard to understand why consumers have bought every van that Honda has built since 1999. And with annual sales right around 120,000, every automaker with a minivan in its lineup has felt the effects of the Odyssey's success.

    Until this year, no one had seriously challenged the Odyssey's place at the top. A redesigned line of Chrysler minivans arrived for 2001, but although they have a few advantages, they fall short of the Odyssey's family-friendly package overall. Kia released the Sedona in 2002 — it's a solid but not particularly innovative minivan that sells for bargain prices. However, three new minivan offerings have hit the dealers for 2004 — a fully redesigned Toyota Sienna and Nissan Quest and a heavily freshened (but not totally redesigned) Ford Freestar (formerly Windstar).

    Already the Sienna seems to be the front-runner of this group, and for the first time since 1999, our editors have found a minivan that they like as much as, if not more than, the Odyssey. A full road test of a Sienna yielded favorable impressions of Toyota's new family hauler. Larger than its predecessor, the new van offers considerably more interior space and feels as roomy inside as an Odyssey or long-wheelbase Chrysler minivan. Additionally, a standard 60/40-split third-row seat and a choice of either twin captain's chairs or a 40/20/40 bench in the second row give it the most flexible seating of any minivan on the market — for the moment anyway. Among the other positive attributes we noted were a smooth drivetrain, a quiet ride, high-quality interior materials and a full range of available amenities — DVD-based navigation and entertainment systems, adaptive cruise control, a rear backup camera, you name it.

    Nevertheless, a week of testing rarely provides us with enough time to get to know a vehicle as intimately as an owner would. Recall that we spent two years each with a 1999 Odyssey and a 2001 Dodge Grand Caravan, during which time almost every editor on staff drove each van for at least a month and put it through the daily rigors of family life. Ultimately, we were left with the feeling that the Honda was as close to ideal as a family vehicle, and that the Dodge, while enjoyable to drive, was neither the most practical nor the most reliable minivan on the market. We're anxious to see how the Sienna will fare in similar testing conditions. And just to keep things interesting, we'll also be adding a 2004 Quest to our long-term test fleet in the coming months.

    There were several ways to go when it came time to choose a Sienna. As in the past, Toyota is offering CE, LE and XLE trim levels, but the company has added a new higher-line XLE Limited trim level to go after well-to-do buyers who might otherwise consider a luxury SUV. Buyers also have the option of getting all-wheel drive and/or eight-passenger capacity via the 40/20/40 second-row bench seat. The average buyer can get a safe, well-equipped minivan by going with the CE or LE and selecting a couple options packages.

    But since we want to be able to report on the widest range of available features (without going nuts on price), we opted for an XLE. Standard equipment on this model includes a 3.3-liter V6 with variable valve timing (Toyota's VVT-i) rated for 230 hp and 242 pound-feet of torque paired with a smooth-shifting five-speed automatic transmission. Also standard are 16-inch alloy wheels, antilock brakes with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution and BrakeAssist, and trailering preparation (the Sienna can tow a maximum of 3,500 pounds). All doors are power-operated, including the liftgate, and the second-row windows power down as in a Mazda MPV. Inside, the XLE offers an eight-way power driver seat (the front-passenger seat is manual), a tilt/telescoping steering wheel, tri-zone automatic climate control, a 10-speaker JBL stereo with a CD player and rear-seat controls, a removable center console, a trip computer and faux wood accents.

    To this we added Package #19. As you've likely noticed, Sienna option packages can be confusing because there are lots of them and they're all numbered — making it difficult to differentiate between them. In any case, this large package set us up with 17-inch wheels; leather upholstery; a rear DVD entertainment system (with two pairs of wireless headphones); a DVD-based navigation system; second- and third-row side sunshades; a moonroof; and seat-mounted side airbags for the front occupants and side curtain airbags for all three rows. The price of this package is an incredible $7,040, resulting in a total MSRP of $36,605. Oddly enough, though, our well-equipped van still has rear drum brakes. Rear disc brakes are available on the Sienna XLE, along with stability control, but none of the packages that contain these items are available with Package #19.

    When we sent Consumer Advice Editor Philip Reed out to purchase our Sienna in June 2003, he was once again in the position of buying a high-demand car that was in short supply. This added up to a near-MSRP True Market Value price. In fact, TMV was only $70 under the sticker price. We sent queries for price quotes to four Los Angeles area Toyota dealerships. The responses were interesting.

    One dealership didn't respond at all. The second dealership said it didn't have our color choice (Silver Shadow Pearl) and option package. It recommended we go to a larger dealership with a bigger inventory. The third dealership called us and gave us an earful: "Baby, you can't just call and say 'I want a Sienna this week.' You're going to have to order this van and wait six weeks. And, oh yeah, it's going to be at least $500 over window." The fourth dealership e-mailed us back to say, "We have your van and we'll sell it to you at sticker."

    Later, we found out that we got the van we wanted, in the color we wanted, because a deal had fallen through. Someone ordered the Sienna, but when it arrived the buyer decided not to go through with the purchase.

    Our salesman at Longo Toyota, in El Monte, Calif., was Internet Sales Manager Aaron Misajon. He told us that the van had all the equipment we were shopping for, but it also had running boards which cost $600. We told him we didn't want the running boards and, furthermore, our TMV price was $70 under MSRP. He eventually agreed to reduce the price by $200 and we closed at $36,405. The Sienna was delivered to our offices the next day. The only hitch: the dealership forgot to include the headphones for the DVD player. When we called them, they said they would be shipped ASAP.

    "Once again we learned the importance of shopping around," Phil reported. "If we had gone to only one dealership, we might have believed the saleswoman who said we would have to pay over-sticker prices and 'wait six weeks for delivery, baby.' As it was, we got lucky and found nearly the exact van we wanted at nearly TMV prices. By using the Internet to solicit bids, a car shopper can cast a wide net."

    Already several editors have managed to squeeze in some quality time behind the wheel, and two of them, Editor in Chief Karl Brauer and Road Test Coordinator Kelly Stennick, are parents of small children — and therefore in a position to begin testing the family-friendliness of our newest acquisition.

    A third driver, Road Test Editor Erin Riches, is not a parent but was able to bring a general familiarity with the Sienna's competitors to her assignment. She also has a long commute (66 miles per day) and thus had ample time to consider the Sienna's desirability. "When you don't have a family, a minivan isn't the most appealing form of transportation if only because you're trying to uphold a certain cool, detached, forever-in-my-20s image," Erin wrote in her notes. "Yet for freeway commutes, there's an advantage to driving a vehicle that's invisible to other motorists and the highway patrol rather than one like our 350Z that's always looking for a fight.

    "What's more, the Sienna is evidence that the minivan has progressed to a point where it's at a minimal performance disadvantage compared to most other vehicles. The 3.3-liter V6 provides excellent low- and midrange acceleration for quick maneuvering. And although the ride at first seems much too plush for the Sienna to be much of a handler, those who drive more aggressively will find it quite capable around the occasional hard turn or cloverleaf entrance ramp. Sure, there's some body lean, but underneath it, there's reassuring grip (likely enhanced by our Sienna's 17-inch wheels). And the steering is excellent — a responsive rack and a small-diameter wheel combine to make the van extremely easy to deal with in parking lots and at highway speeds."

    Karl agreed with Erin on the potency of the engine. "My wife, Stacie, thought the Sienna actually felt faster than our Honda Pilot," he said. "The Pilot has more peak horsepower, but the Sienna is 'typical Toyota' in that it has excellent low-end torque, which makes it feel quick. Even at highway speeds, where Hondas often feel much quicker [than comparable Toyotas], the Sienna felt as fast as the Pilot." At the same time, our top editor wasn't ready to gush over the van's handling:

    "This van does not handle as well as the Odyssey," he wrote in his notes. "Stacie referred to it as a 'turtle,' because she said it felt like she had a 'big shell' on her back when she drove it (a sensation that neither the Pilot or Odyssey ever gave her). If you haven't driven an Odyssey or Chrysler minivan very much, you'll never notice the Sienna's wallowy nature, because it's still a good handling minivan…but it's not as good as the Honda or Chrysler. Ditto for the steering. Once again, the Sienna's steering feels tight and responsive, but the Chrysler and Honda vans have better weighting and, combined with the superior body roll control, they inspire more confidence when going around corners quickly."

    Of course, the Sienna continues to be a great choice for those who want the most comfortable ride in all of minivan land. The softly cushioned driver seat generally added to comfort levels during hour-long commutes, Erin felt. "Though the seat bottom could stand to be a tad longer, the telescoping steering wheel adjustment offset that minor shortcoming — I could sit just about any way I wanted to behind the wheel."

    "The seats in the Sienna felt fine for the most part," Karl said, "but on a longer road trip (about three hours), both Stacie and I both noticed lower backaches. This never happened to us in the Pilot on our recent cross-country trip (with several 12-hour driving days). On a return trip of just under three hours, I didn't notice this as much so it's possible that you just have to be more conscious of how you're sitting in the Sienna's seats to avoid backaches."

    As Karl and Kelly are known to travel with considerable kiddie paraphernalia, both weighed in on the issue of storage in the cabin. "By far the best minivan on the market in terms of storage compartments," Karl jotted in his notes. "Truly amazing in fact. I liked the large bin at the bottom of the center stack, because it was perfect for putting my CD case in, making it easy to grab when it was time to swap the in-dash CD (a common requirement since there's room for only one). I also thought the small pockets underneath the front door armrests were really cool (once I discovered them, which was pretty late in the month, because they were so unexpected)."

    "So many storage places, I couldn't remember where I put things," Kelly said. "I was constantly opening little doors trying to find my sunglasses, or garage door remote. Eventually, I got organized."

    A packrat of sorts, Erin also found room for her odds and ends, though she still prefers the Odyssey's folding center tray (between the front seats) to the removable (but bulky) console in the Sienna and Grand Caravan.

    After a family road trip, Karl shared this storage-related anecdote: "I discovered an interesting trait when unloading the Sienna's cargo area after a three-hour drive. The metal tie-downs that are in the middle of the cargo area were very hot. I would assume they got heated up by their proximity to the exhaust system, though this is sheer speculation. Whatever the cause, they were hot enough to potentially burn my fingers if I grabbed them and held on. Something to keep in mind depending on what kind of cargo you are carrying or if you even plan on letting children play in the cargo area, especially if you did this immediately after a long drive."

    As in other Toyotas, the Sienna has large climate and stereo controls. Erin found them easy to use, even the climate controls which govern three temperature zones. However, she wasn't all that enthusiastic about the JBL sound system. Her complaints centered on sound quality, which seemed flat for a 10-speaker system regardless of the type of music or tonal adjustments. "In contrast," said Erin, "the Infinity system in our '01 Grand Caravan had a nice kick to it and was just as suitable for adult music as it was for Raffi CDs."

    Our editor in chief mostly agreed with her assessment. From his logbook: "The system didn't impress me overall. The bass response didn't feel as tight as it should have been, considering the JBL emblems all over the speakers and a specific subwoofer in the rear (plus a center channel speaker designed to enhance the surround effect). I never did a super critical analysis of the system, but on several occasions during casual (but high-volume) listening I thought it sounded a bit shallow and even detected a bit of buzz. Maybe one of the speakers is damaged."

    Kelly also noticed a hissing from the left front speaker, and during a road trip to Sacramento with her three-year-old daughter, Emma, both driver and passenger were annoyed by the sound system's schizophrenic volume adjustment. Kelly explained, "The stereo and DVD entertainment system volume aren't in sync; when you switch from DVD to FM, the volume blares loudly. " On more than one occasion, this abrupt change in volume was enough to rouse Emma from slumber.

    Also the cause of some disappointment was the Sienna's flip-down "kidview" mirror, a parent-friendly feature borrowed from the Windstar. "It allows me to see if a kid is in the seat, but not much more," said Kelly. "Sometimes I couldn't tell if Emma was awake or asleep by looking in that mirror."

    Karl made extensive use of the navigation system this month and offered a comparison to the one Honda uses in the Odyssey and Pilot: "The navigation system in the Sienna has an advantage over the Honda in terms of graphical design. The screen looks more upscale than the Honda's. However, you have limited control over the system when the Sienna is in motion and there's no 'joystick' control for moving the on-screen cursor around. I found both traits annoying in comparison to the Honda, and for these reasons I still prefer to use the Honda navigation system."

    "Occasionally, the nav system's map display would show me exiting on a freeway ramp, while I continued straight down the freeway," Kelly noted. "Sometimes it took many seconds to correct itself."

    Even with the handful of complaints this month, all three editors felt that the Sienna was still quite desirable overall and a top pick among 2004 minivans. "Between the cargo storage bins and abundant cupholders, this minivan basically rules the class, despite the few nits I have to pick (less than stellar handling and a navigation system that can't be used while the vehicle is in motion)," said Karl. "Add in features like a rear camera, a power rear liftgate and AC power outlets and I'm ready to buy. I'd even take mine in silver, just like our test vehicle."

    Slightly dampening our enthusiasm is the safety recall already issued for the 2004 Sienna. During 40-mph frontal offset crash testing conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the impact was evidently strong enough to damage the test vehicle's fuel tank and cause a leak (you might remember a similar issue with the 2001 Dodge Grand Caravan). Toyota is replacing fuel tanks free of charge on all Siennas (at least those built before the recall was issued in August). We contacted our local dealer, Sheridan Toyota in Santa Monica, Calif., and a service advisor ordered a replacement tank for us straightaway. We've been notified that the part has come in and plan to have it installed as soon as possible.

    Shopping for a minivan in the next year? Check back again to find out what it's like to live with a Sienna before you buy.

    Current Odometer: 4,936
    Best Fuel Economy: 22.2 mpg
    Worst Fuel Economy: 12.5 mpg
    Average Fuel Economy (over the life of the vehicle): 17.5 mpg
    Body Repair Costs: None
    Maintenance Costs: None
    Problems: None

    Road Test

    December 2003

    For the past few months, our Sienna has been parked in the garage of an editor with two small children. Thus, we got a chance to see how the minivan fares in the environment for which it was created: serving as a mommy mobile on runs to the grocery store for formula and diapers, and accommodating the wee ones with car seats and coloring books.

    The Sienna didn't see any road trip activity this quarter, spending its time within city limits; within this context, its front seats proved quite comfortable. Legroom was adequate for our 6-foot-2-inch editor, and he appreciated the upscale look and feel of the seats: "The leather is of a nice quality, and you feel as if you're riding in a luxury sedan rather than a minivan."

    The second row was occupied by the family's two babies, with the third row often being reserved for the youngsters' doting grandparents. Rear legroom wasn't as generous as we'd have liked, though, and space for Grandma and Grandpa to stretch and relieve sore knees became an issue. "While the seats are more comfortable in back than expected, there is limited legroom, and I wouldn't expect more than one person to enjoy a longer trip back there," our editor says.

    Pull-up sunshades (offered on each of the rear side windows) stood out as particularly useful on hot days, when the sunshine could easily have proved oppressive to the young ones in our editor's care: "The sunshades are a great kid-friendly feature that really cut out the bright rays into the back." The van's two-outlet double-charging capability — a great feature for dual-cell-phone parents — was also appreciated. And the van's dual power-sliding side doors and rear power liftgate proved a godsend when hustling children and groceries in and out of the vehicle at the mall or grocery store.

    We found the Sienna's interior to be pleasantly cavernous. An abundance of interior space around the second row made it easy to get the kids in and out of their car seats. Numerous bins, cubbies and cupholders ensure that there's always someplace to stash carry-ons, even when the entire family (parents, kids and grandparents) is on board. Third-row seats accommodate additional cargo by folding (with surprisingly little fuss) into a host of positions that make hauling groceries, strollers and outdoor equipment a breeze.

    Our editor did, however, have a bone to pick with the minivan's audio system. He was satisfied with the system's sound quality, but wishes the CD player were more easily accessible. "You've got to flip the navigation system out to insert a CD," he advises. "If you've got a good sense of direction and plan on spending lots of time listening to music, you might want to consider skipping the navigation system and taking the in-dash six-CD changer instead."

    We also had issues with the Sienna's shifter. First of all, there's its location. "It takes a little getting used to, since it's vertically mounted in the center of the dash just below the air conditioning controls," our editor says. The shifter was also somewhat less cooperative than others our editor has experienced. "More than a few times, I've had the knob drop into neutral unintentionally trying to get it into 'drive,'" he notes.

    The Sienna's engine earned so-so marks from our editor: "It was adequate for general city and highway driving. While passing other vehicles on the highway wasn't an issue, you really have to punch it to merge onto the highway from most ramps I traveled on. It would have been nice to have a bit more acceleration on these occasions."

    We were a lot more pleased with the Sienna's steering. Remarks our editor: "There were more than a few times when I felt that I could have been in a Honda Accord or other midsize sedan."

    Another aspect that impressed was the van's rear camera display, activated when the vehicle is put in reverse. "Not surprisingly, maneuvering through narrow parking spaces in a minivan can be challenging. The rear camera display is especially handy when parallel parking."

    Overall, the Sienna more than rose to the challenge of providing primary transportation for a young, busy family. "This is a terrific vehicle for parents with children in car seats," our editor says. "The power side doors are a lifesaver, and the van's layout and dimensions make it easy to get children in and out. The Sienna feels like an SUV on the inside, offers a more sedanlike ride than you'd imagine and is much more stylish overall than many of its competitors. Plus, you get all that storage flexibility!"

    Stay tuned for our next update to see if our love affair with the Sienna continues.

    Current Odometer: 6,803
    Best Fuel Economy: 25.2 mpg
    Worst Fuel Economy: 13.2 mpg
    Running Average (over life of vehicle): 18.2 mpg
    Body Repair Costs: None
    Maintenance Costs: None
    Problems: None

    Road Test

    April 2004

    This month's report takes us beyond the cityscape and out onto the highway. Before we hit the road, our editors logged a few more observations about some of the Sienna's key features.

    While we continue to struggle with switching CDs in and out due to the need to flip down the navigation system screen, we have to admit that the nav system has been a surprising and welcome convenience. Beyond providing easy navigation to various baby stores and friends' houses for play dates, the system allows for a safer and more relaxing journey through town. The Sienna's nav system provides a helpful "best route" feature and the voice-activated directions are quite convenient, alerting you to recommended turns in advance. The maps are well laid out and easy to view. Our editor appreciated the fact that the system "visually transitions between day maps to nighttime maps where the colors reverse out to ensure optimal viewing when it's dark inside the cabin."

    Of course, one of the best features of the Sienna is its abundant and flexible cargo space. Our editor especially noted the ability to load three different strollers. "I was able to get a full-size single stroller, a full-size double stroller and a smaller umbrella stroller neatly loaded into the rear of the cargo bay, which still allowed the use of the third-row seating. With two small children, you need different strollers for different situations and the Sienna really allows for easy access and storage." Our staffer also liked the added flexibility afforded by the fold-flat third seat. "I was able to load up a rug, activity table and crib into the Sienna with little hassle. In one situation, I had to convert the back cargo area to fit a number of large furniture boxes and was able to configure the whole area in less than two minutes. I also saved on the delivery fee that I most certainly would have paid without this capability."

    With city driving mastered, our editor decided to load the family into the van for a few different road trips to see how the Sienna held up on the highway. One trip took them north from Los Angeles to Ojai, Calif. — beautiful, vintage orange grove country nestled in the mountains only about 10 miles from the Pacific Ocean. On the second trip, they went south to Palm Springs. Both drives round-trip were about 200 miles long.

    While the Sienna could use a little more midrange torque for merging onto the highway, once at cruising speed, the ride was found to be very smooth and enjoyable. Overall, the van's seating is comfortable and there were no complaints about either of the front seats. Our editor's wife said she "felt like [she] was riding in an SUV from a seat-height perspective." They did observe, however, that with six or seven passengers on board, it starts to get a little tight. Our 6-foot-2-inch editor specifically called out the limited legroom in the third row, especially if you're tall. He noted, "If you can get your legs closer to the middle between the two captain's chairs in the second row, you're much better off. The third-row seating itself is comfortable, but you don't want to find yourself with both legs tucked behind the second-row seats for an extended time."

    Our editor and his family fired up the rear DVD system to entertain the kids with viewings of Sesame Street, The Lion King and Toy Story. Grandma and Mom were able to comfortably watch the video from the third-row seat, while Dad and Grandpa monitored the nav system to make sure the family got to their intended destination. However, the audio system didn't meet expectations on the highway. Our editor commented, "Everyone found the stereo hard to hear without really cranking it up due to the increased wind and road noise while driving on the highway. Inside the city limits, this was less of an issue, but then we're not going to watch a lot of DVDs on short trips."

    We continue to appreciate the rear-window sunscreens, which do a great job of reducing the sunlight that comes into the cabin and, more importantly, into your children's eyes. Our editor noted, "When your infant finally settles down for a nap, the last thing you want is for him to wake up because there's sun in his eyes." The Sienna's abundant cupholders are also quite convenient. We counted more than six cupholders in the front row alone, and there are even more in the back two rows. This is great for the wide variety of milk bottles and sippy cups that the little ones use.

    Outside of some minor inconveniences like the two-step process for loading CDs and the lack of third-row legroom for Grandma and Grandpa, we continue to sing the Sienna's praises whether we're traveling by highway or just running around town. "Toyota has really built a very good minivan," our editor penned in the logbook, "with many useful and convenient features that make toting around a family both pleasurable and safe."

    Current Odometer: 9,905
    Best Fuel Economy: 17.0 mpg
    Worst Fuel Economy: 10.9 mpg
    Average Fuel Economy (over the life of the vehicle): 16.7 mpg
    Body Repair Costs: None
    Maintenance Costs: None
    Problems: None

    Road Test

    July 2004

    After nearly a year in our possession, the Toyota Sienna continues to impress us from almost all angles. Whether it's being used for family duty or just plain commuting, the Sienna is comfortable, quiet and well up to just about any task we throw at it. Said one editor who's the father of two young children, "I couldn't imagine transporting my family in a more spacious, convenient and luxurious minivan."

    Outside of a few road trips, most of our driving time has been spent inside the city limits. This includes numerous trips to the grocery store, toy store and local shopping malls, outings which have provided ample opportunities to load and unload kids, groceries and the occasional Toys 'R Us haul. When it comes to getting items from the store to the car, we often find ourselves wondering how we got along before the advent of power-sliding doors. From our editor's logbook, "The automatic side doors continue to be a fantastic feature; allowing me to open up both doors from the remote key fob prior to arriving at the minivan and get my purchases loaded and kids into their car seats quickly without hassle."

    The Sienna has also displayed its multifunctional stripes numerous times, from folding the third-row seat down into the floor to create a flat load floor in order to lug multiple suitcases easily to the airport or adjusting child safety seats from rear-facing to front-facing as the children grow older and their safety seat needs change. One editor specifically noted a recent experience regarding his kids' safety seats: "We replaced one of the smaller-sized car seats with the largest one on the market (made for toddlers) and the technician who was installing it commented that our newly purchased seat often did not fit into various vehicles, however, the Sienna's second-row seats were large enough to accommodate the bigger, wider child seat." The technician also mentioned that "removing the headrest was quite easy" and the Sienna's "latch system was excellent and sturdy enough to ensure a proper installation." For any family considering child safety issues, the Sienna continues to be a strong and flexible performer.

    Our Sienna comes with many convenient, technological features. However, sometimes technology can cause new, unexpected problems. One editor found this out firsthand while utilizing the remote power doors: "When using the remote key fob to close the rear door automatically from outside the vehicle, it's best to stay and watch the door-closing process to make sure it closes completely. If not you might find out, unfortunately like I did, that the rear door has stayed open unexpectedly all night displaying the Sienna's contents to every would-be thief and passerby." In this case, one of the baby strollers in the rear back cargo area slipped forward as the door was shutting and the sensor caused the door to spring back open. If you walk away too soon, you may find your car has been left open inadvertently.

    In and around the city, parking continues to be a bit of struggle. First-time minivan buyers should pay special attention during their test-drives to get comfortable driving (and parking) a larger vehicle. Our editor noted, "My wife and I had always driven smaller vehicles prior to the Sienna and it has been challenging parking the vehicle within the city, especially parallel parking." One other item of note in this area: "While I like the small side running boards aesthetically and they add some assistance functionally when stepping up into the rear seats, I'm not sure if they're worth having as they seem to be an easy target for curbs and scrapes while parallel parking."

    Aside from some of the parking challenges, the Sienna continues to be appreciated at almost all levels. We have not experienced any mechanical problems, and continue to appreciate the convenient navigation system, abundant storage bins, smooth ride and kid-friendly functionality.

    Our next update should include some service interaction with our local dealer as we're approaching our 15,000-mile service checkup. Stay tuned.

    Current Odometer: 12,224
    Best Fuel Economy: 15.6
    Worst Fuel Economy: 14.6
    Average Fuel Economy (over the life of the vehicle): 16.6
    Body Repair Costs: None
    Maintenance Costs: None
    Problems: None

    Road Test

    October 2004

    As the months roll by, we continue to be quite pleased with the quality and functionality of our long-term Toyota Sienna. Great storage, superb "in and out" capability with the dual power-sliding rear doors and the easy-to-operate GPS navigation system make driving kids around town a simple exercise. The 60/40-split third-row seat can also be easily stored in the floor, providing much needed flexibility.

    While we retain our enthusiasm for the Sienna as a high-quality, high-value vehicle, we decided this month to look a little deeper at how it stacks up against some of its key competitors, including minivans as well as some of the more family-oriented SUVs.

    As much as we like the Sienna's clean styling, functionality and feature content are what drive minivan buyers. As we've noted, the minivan segment has become ultracompetitive, and new and innovative features are introduced with each minivan makeover. While the Sienna offers a 60/40 fold-flat third row and flexible seating arrangements for the two captain's seats in the second row, newer setups such as the 2005 Chrysler Town & Country's Stow-'n-Go fold-flat second-row seats are even better. Our Sienna's second-row seats do not fold flat into the floor, but the seats can be removed to allow for cargo-vanlike capacity if needed. However, this feat is not as simple as we'd like, especially since the seats are heavy and need to be stored outside of the minivan. As one editor noted, "It's not so much taking out the second-row seats that I disliked — the real problem for me is carving out a clean spot in my messy garage to safely store the leather chairs."

    Since minivans are primarily family vehicles, it's not unusual to need room for an additional passenger, whether it's a visiting aunt or neighborhood pal. Our Sienna is a fixed seven-passenger setup, although Toyota does make an eight-passenger version as well. The new 2005 Honda Odyssey offers a Stowable Second-Row PlusOne seat option that makes a seven-passenger van into an eight-seat van, and allows you to convert the PlusOne seat to a center console when it's not needed for a rider. One editor noted, "Having that occasional-use eighth seat would be great — when transporting young children, the more flexibility you have, the better."

    Do we always prefer minivans over SUVs for family transportation? Most often, the answer is yes. More and more, SUVs are offering the same interior features that make minivans so user-friendly, but there are still certain inherent minivan advantages. The low step-in height of our Sienna makes it easier to load babies and toddlers at a normal height, without forcing adults to climb up into the vehicle or stoop over to buckle up baby seats. The lower height also benefits preschoolers who like to get in and jump out unassisted. And unlike SUVs, our Sienna has dual remote power doors which also simplify the process of loading kids or cargo. Not all rear doors on SUVs open the same width, and some, like those on the Chrysler Pacifica, open far less than 90 degrees from the vehicle's body, forcing parents to twist and turn bulky car seats in order to maneuver them into the rear seat — it's much like the challenge of moving an oversized sofa through an apartment door. With sliding doors, you have plenty of space to work within.

    Reflecting on the issue of cargo- and passenger-hauling ability, our editor commented, "I'm sure SUVs are similar in their ability to get the groceries in and out or make a trip to the hardware store, but when I have to do all of that and cart my kids with me, I wouldn't trade the Sienna for a second."

    There's no doubt that we remain satisfied Sienna owners. With no breakdowns, service issues or even minor glitches, the Sienna has served our needs flawlessly. As we approach the recommended 15,000-mile service, we almost welcome the opportunity to visit our local Toyota dealer, if only to express our thanks for a job well done.

    Current Odometer: 14,223
    Best Fuel Economy: 19.0 mpg
    Worst Fuel Economy: 13.0 mpg
    Average Fuel Economy (over the life of the vehicle): 16.0 mpg
    Body Repair Costs: None
    Maintenance Costs: None
    Problems: None

    Road Test

    Wrap-Up

    Why We Bought It
    How It Drove
    Inside the Cabin
    Summing Up
    Changes to the RX-8 Since 2004
    Ups, Downs and The Bottom Line
    Recalls and Problem History
    Dealer Service Reviews
    What Consumers Say


    Why We Bought It
    The minivan market is an ultracompetitive segment that has been led for more than five years by the acclaimed Honda Odyssey. During the past two years, several other key minivans underwent makeovers in an attempt to steal the Odyssey's thunder.

    The 2004 Toyota Sienna and the 2004 Nissan Quest seemed to be the most likely front-runners to challenge the Honda Odyssey, so we decided to add both to our long-term fleet and put them to the test. We asked Senior Consumer Advice Editor Philip Reed to put his expert car-buying skills to work once again. When it came time to choose the Toyota Sienna, we selected the XLE trim level which, like all Siennas, comes standard with a 3.3-liter V6 engine rated at 230 horsepower. We also opted for Package #19, a large bundle of luxury features that include leather upholstery; a rear DVD entertainment system with wireless headphones; a DVD-based navigation system; third-row sunshades; a power moonroof; 17-inch wheels; seat-mounted side airbags for driver and front passenger; and side curtain airbags for all three rows.

    This package added a whopping $7,040 to the base price, bringing the total MSRP to $36,605. After shopping around, we ultimately purchased our Sienna from Longo Toyota in El Monte, California, through the Internet sales manager. After some negotiation, they threw in $600 running boards and we closed the deal at $36,405. We took delivery at our Santa Monica office the next day.

    How It Drove
    Minivans and SUVs are both highly regarded for their cargo and passenger space, but for most drivers, that's where the similarity ends. Spend some time behind the wheel of a minivan and it's easy to see how the driving dynamics are more carlike, while SUVs tend to handle more like a truck. The Sienna minivan made good on its car-based DNA as evidenced by notes from the Toyota Sienna's logbook.

    Senior Editor Erin Riches reported, "While not as nimble as the Honda Odyssey, the Sienna is quite capable around the occasional hard turn or cloverleaf entrance ramp. Sure, there's some body lean, but underneath it, there's reassuring grip (likely enhanced by our Sienna's 17-inch tires). And the steering is excellent — a responsive rack and a small-diameter wheel combine to make the van extremely easy to deal with in parking lots and at highway speeds."

    At over 4,000 pounds, the Toyota Sienna isn't exactly light on its feet. But that shouldn't be a surprise, considering it's designed to transport seven people and their belongings. Luckily, it's equipped with a 3.3-liter V6 engine that provides excellent low- and midrange acceleration, largely due to plenty of low-end torque. Editor in Chief Karl Brauer concurred: "The Sienna is 'typical Toyota' in that it has excellent low-end torque, which makes it feel quick. Even at highway speeds, where Hondas often feel much quicker than comparable Toyotas, the Sienna felt just as fast."

    Complementing power and handling is the Sienna's smooth and compliant ride, which allows it to soak up bumps and ruts without disturbing its occupants. Among our staff of enthusiast drivers, some thought this softness more of a hindrance than a real plus, preferring the Honda Odyssey's sportier handling to the Toyota Sienna's more luxurious feel. However, we're confident the average driver would be pleased by the Sienna's performance.

    Inside the Cabin
    Driving dynamics are usually most appreciated by the vehicle commander, but when it comes to interior features and comfort, all passengers get to weigh in. During our 18-month test, several dozen occupants passed through the Sienna's dual power-sliding doors, and all generally agreed that seat comfort is one of the Toyota minivan's strengths. There's plenty of legroom in the front and second row, leaving little to complain about unless you're relegated to the third row. We were pleased to discover the Sienna's rear-most seat is more adult-friendly than most, with reasonable legroom and shoulder room, plus the 60/40-split third-row bench is easy to fold flat and out of the way, making stroller storage a snap. In spite of continued abuse from dozens of small Stride Rite tennies hopping from seat to seat during entrance and exit, the high-quality leather surfaces show little signs of wear.

    With its polished faux wood trim, the Toyota Sienna's center console presents a Lexus-like luxury appearance. Dual automatic climate controls help both sides get comfortable, and the large navigation screen nestles in the middle for easy access. Put the Sienna in reverse and the rear-mounted camera offers the back view on the nav screen for increased accident avoidance. The only dashboard packaging complaint is the location of the CD player which sits behind the nav system, a location that necessitates flipping down the nav screen to access the CD slot.

    Summing Up
    We've thoroughly enjoyed having the 2004 Toyota Sienna as part of our long-term fleet, and bid it a solemn, if not tearful adieu. During our test we were reminded time and again of its bounty of features and flawless reliability. After a year and a half of Sienna ownership, our out-of-pocket maintenance costs were limited to $339.52 with just one unscheduled service appointment.

    Just prior to the conclusion of the Toyota Sienna long-term test, the all-new 2005 Honda Odyssey arrived on the scene. We've now had enough seat time to see how the Sienna compares to the new Odyssey, and are pleased to see that the Honda minivan now includes several of the features we most appreciated in the Toyota, including a split rear bench, side window shades and rear windows that power down. Although the updated Honda Odyssey may knock the Toyota Sienna down to second place in our preferred minivan standings, it doesn't mean that our fondness for the Sienna has decreased. If you're looking for a luxurious minivan that has all the right bells and whistles, backed by Toyota's infallible dependability, you should strongly consider the Sienna.

    True Market Value at service end: $32,310
    What it sold for: N/A
    Depreciation: $4,095 or 11% of original paid price
    Final Odometer Reading: 15,578
    Best Fuel Economy: 19.1 mpg
    Worst Fuel Economy: 12.5 mpg
    Average Fuel Economy: 15.7 mpg
    Total Body Repair Costs: None
    Total Routine Maintenance Costs (over 18 months): $339.52
    Warranty Repairs: 1
    Non-Warranty Repairs: None
    Scheduled Dealer Visits: 2
    Unscheduled Dealer Visits: 1
    Days Out of Service: 1
    Breakdowns Stranding Driver: None

    Changes to the Toyota Sienna Since 2004
    2005 — Sienna XLE and XLE Limited models now offer a power-adjustable passenger seat.

    Ups, Downs and The Bottom Line
    Ups: Cavernous storage, flexible and easy-to-store third-row seating, rear camera, power rear liftgate, AC power outlets.

    Downs: Awkward CD player access if equipped with navigation system, weaker than expected sound system, poor flip-down "kidview" mirror.

    The Bottom Line: The Toyota Sienna is a family-friendly minivan that delivers exceptional quality, convenience and flexibility with a touch of luxury.

    Recalls and Problem History
    Recalls:
    1. Fuel Tank: During 40-mph frontal offset crash testing conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the impact was strong enough to damage the test vehicle's fuel tank and cause a leak.

    Problem History:
    None.

    Dealer Service Reviews
    Toyota Santa Monica in Santa Monica, California

    October 2003
    Fuel Tank Recall:We received a notice in the mail regarding the fuel tank recall and promptly called Toyota Santa Monica to schedule an appointment. We took the Sienna in the next day and the service writer called the following morning to report that the work was finished.

    7,500-mile service:Two weeks later, we scheduled an appointment for a 7,500-mile service. We dropped the Sienna off in the morning, and picked it up later that afternoon.

    Keyes Toyota in Sherman Oaks, California
    December 2004
    15,000-mile service:It was an excellent experience. We dropped off the Sienna and they gave us a ride home. The service was completed later that day, and the dealer sent a shuttle to pick us up. A few weeks later, Keyes Toyota made a follow-up call to make sure that the service was successful.

    What Consumers Say
    "Great, smooth drive; excellent turning radius; can carry a whole neighborhood of things and people. The ride is very quiet. We are very pleased after almost a year of ownership. The dealership was polite and not pushy, and the service department (for scheduled maintenance) has been, too. There are a few improvements I would like to see, but we are enjoying the Sienna very much. Our long-distance trips have been trouble-free, and pretty much argument-free, too, with the kids' independent sound systems! We don't have the DVD, but there is so much music choice we don't need it. We love the automatic back door, second-row windows, zone heating and cooling, and the roominess. Excellent sound; I thought the sound system was a lot more impressive than the Odyssey's on our test-drive of each. Lights in backseats are excellent and can be on if necessary without disturbing driver. Would like Toyota to improve the rollover rating and cut down the blind spot. It can be hard to see in back at night through tinted glass. Also, the front map pockets are too shallow!! Put more light in hatchback, and light driver's key or driver's lock. We would also like a side button to close hatchback as well as rope." — kmomplus, November 6, 2004

    "I had owned a top-of-the-line Grand Caravan with little or no problems, but when it was time to replace it so many people said to look at the Sienna before buying another minivan. What a pleasant surprise! I had been used to the luxury of the Grand Caravan EX and wanted no less in my new vehicle. The amenities in the Sienna surpass what I had in the Grand Caravan. (Both had leather interiors.) The ride and handling of the Sienna is far superior. The absolute selling feature was the windows that went down on the side sliding doors and the huge sunroof. Comfort and handling are my main favorites. Style and good gas mileage come in a close second. I would like to see all seats behind the driver fold into the floor like the new Grand Caravan does." — NBI, November 5, 2004

    "Sold my Explorer to get this minivan and I wish I had done it long ago. The Sienna is easy to drive, very comfortable, lots of space, price is comparable. It's really a nice overall package. It has second-row windows that roll down, a power liftgate and sliding doors, JBL stereo with rear-seat audio, storage compartments everywhere and cupholders, although they need to add a higher one in the seat in second row. The 'conversation' mirror is too far back in the ceiling, it makes it difficult to use." — mdsmithers, September 23, 2004

    "Having never owned a minivan, my wife and I were new to the market. We narrowed it down to the Honda or the Toyota. After driving both, my wife was sold on the Sienna. The Toyota dealer was laid-back, very little pressure and listened to what we wanted. The Honda dealer was very aggressive, 'How can I put you in a Honda today?' The 60/40 backseat and the ability to open/close the backseat with one hand on the Toyota was a major plus. We had no problem paying a little more for the Toyota (because) we plan to have the van for 7-8 years. Bottom line: It is the best van on the road. We especially like the power-sliding doors and hatch, surround-sound system and the console which can be easily moved from front to back. Factory-installed DVD system is very nice with wireless headphones." — papa44, September 22, 2004

    "My teens said they wouldn't ride in minivan, but now say it's cool. We traded a Highlander for more room, and got that plus great mpg (22.5 average), a quiet smooth ride, great visibility, tight turning radius, very nice interior features and storage galore. We kept the price down by ordering only what I wanted, before all the 'dealer's profitable' frills packages were added. Dealer still gave me a good deal. I'm very happy and plan to keep it forever! SUVs are overrated. Buy what makes the most sense." — yopon, June 29, 2004

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