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1985 Porsche 911 Long-Term Test

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    We might not be cool enough for this car. | March 29, 2011

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1985 Porsche 911 Long-Term Test

Introduction

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    This has been a long time coming. We almost bought a used 911 back in 2007 when we started buying fun modern classics for our long-term fleet, but a 1984 Ferrari 308 GTS caught our eye and our dollars. After that we were shopping 911s when we bought a 2002 BMW M3 (E46). And again, we were cruising for Porsches on eBay last year when we bought our 2002 Chevy Corvette Z06, which we still own.

    And now we finally have one: a 1985 Porsche 911. And it's either going to be a complete blast or a bottomless money pit.

    Either way we figure it'll be fun.

    What We Got
    Honestly, we were shopping for a 993. You know, the last of the air-cooled 911s, built from 1995-'99. They're just old enough to have endless personality, but new enough to be reliable, fast and air-conditioned. We wanted a 993 coupe with a real manual transmission in a decent color. And we had the $25,000-$30,000 to get the job done.

    Then we saw this 1985 Turbo-look 911 at Cars and Coffee in Irvine, California. It stopped us in our tracks. A couple of months later we spotted it again at Cars and Coffee, only this time it was wearing a "For Sale" sign. We called. We inspected. We negotiated. And we bought.

    It's a 1985 Porsche 911 "Turbo look," which means it has the rare and highly desirable M491 option. So it looks like a 930 Turbo, only it's powered by the normally aspirated 3.2-liter flat-6 that powered the standard-width 911. Now you're wondering, "Where the heck is that big turbo whale tail?" Well, for now it's in a closet.

    In its place, our Porsche's derriere wears a wingless deck lid, which we think gives it a more menacing stance. You'll remember that the ultra-cool 1989 Speedsters wore this look; they, too, had wider Turbo fender flares and a plain hood. As did the legendary silver RSR that ruled the Mulholland Highway in the late 1970s and early '80s. Watch the video below to check out that chopped-top beast.

    The seller, a well-known player in the So Cal Porsche culture, also powder-coated the 16-inch Fuchs black for that Darth Vader thing, swapped some of the black interior panels for maroon and lowered the car a bit. He was also up front about the 911's storied past.

    Seems a previous owner's girlfriend wrecked it once heading home from the hair salon, which explains the salvage title. "It once took a hard hit in the left front," the seller told us. "You can still see the dent in the gas tank from where the battery was pushed into it. But it aligns fine, goes down the road perfectly and the tank doesn't leak." But the car was totaled and now carries a salvage title.

    What else is wrong with it? "Well, the speedometer doesn't work, the air-conditioning system is in a box, the driver's door lock is sticky and the driver seat fore/aft adjustment is broken." Good things? The sunroof works, the clutch and transmission were recently replaced and rebuilt, the brakes feel great and the engine never seems to smoke.

    Sold. $16,500.

    And now we own a 1985 Porsche 911. One with 202 horsepower, 185 pound-feet of torque, five gears and manual steering. Oh, and an odometer that reads 113,897 miles.

    Slow? Compared to a 997, no doubt. But it only weighs 2,860 pounds (110 more than a standard-width 911) and Porsche said it would hit 60 mph in 6.7 seconds. Top speed, however, was just 127 mph due to the 915 transmission's short 0.861:1 5th gear.

    When new, this 911 would have cost $43,440, which was a ton of money during Heather Locklear's prime. Even now, a nicely kept Turbo-look 911 demands a premium over a standard car. The option was only offered between 1984 and '89 and cost an incredible $11,490, which kept the take rate low. Only 391 Turbo-look 911s were imported into the U.S. in 1985, and less than 1,000 came to the U.S. overall.

    In addition to the 930's bodywork, the package included the Turbo's wider tracks, rear suspension arms and torsion bar tube, larger brakes (the Turbo cross-drilled brakes are derived from the brakes for the Porsche 917) and wheels and tires.

    Porsche has made a similar option available since the 993 era, which is when it started calling it the Carrera 2S. Like our car, a modern Carrera S wears the Turbo's wide body, brakes and suspension but not the Turbo's tea tray spoiler.

    Why We Got It
    They say the entry-level Porsche is not the Boxster; it's a used 911. Well, you don't get much more entry-level than this.

    In other words, it's bitchin' and it was cheap. Plus, we've watched the Charlie Sheen classic No Man's Land a few too many times and we've always wanted one of these 3.2 Carreras from the 1980s, which are arguably the last real 911s before Porsche got to fussing with it.

    Costs so far include a $70 detail job to get the black paint its shiniest and to rid the interior of the seller's cooties. We've also dropped $5 for a key fob, $36 for two real Porsche key blanks and $4 for a jack point plug.

    Over the next 12 months we will drive this car anywhere and everywhere, hoping to take in a bunch of PCA, POA and other Porsche culture events along the way. After only a few weeks of ownership we've realized that this Porsche thing is more lifestyle than anything. Heck, we've already run into Jerry Seinfeld at a happening.

    Follow the action on our long-term blog. And if you see a very black 911 on the side of the road, engine cover up, please stop and give us a hand.

    This is going to be a fun year.

    Edmunds purchased this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.

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    dylanmitchell says:

    09:49 PM, 04/17/2011

    Inside Lines Long Term Tests of affordable used and affordable used cars is my favorite part of the site. I get to hear about cars I've dreamed of buying after they're value has dropped.

    This is a quintesential Porsche. Just like the Ferrari you guys tested it's a car enthusiast has wanted to own in their life.

    This is a clean Porsche with highly desiriable options. I'm looking forward to reading more about it.

    dgmatt461 says:

    05:17 AM, 04/12/2011

    Great choice, guys, a real no-nanny car.  Bring it back East this summer for a DE at Summit Point or VIR with PCA Potomac.  911s are famous for broken speedometers, but the good news is that you can just pry them out of the dash, take them into your kitchen table and fix them.  

    hurls65 says:

    11:12 AM, 04/08/2011

    Am I just missing something entirely or is 0.86:1 actually a pretty TALL fifth gear?  I mean it's not supertall like 6th on a corvette or something, but it's an overdrive ratio. Seems like maybe the rear end is what's short and not the gear box.

    Oh yeah and DEFINITELY +1 on the suspension walkaround!

    stingray454 says:

    09:52 AM, 04/08/2011

    @way2goslick says:

    "stingray454, some things to consder...5) Money aside...A better comparison would be a 1984 911 vs a 1984 Corvette and see which performs better. "

    It's a 1985 911, not an 84, and an '85 Corvette will out-accelerate, and out-handle this 911.  Look it up if you don't believe me.

    I agree with coolb944 - a 928 of similar vintage would have been a much better choice for a used Porsche, for less money too.

    coolb944 says:

    05:09 PM, 04/06/2011

    I wouldn't like having my gauges turned the way they are. I guess I'm not hot-rodder enough, or maybe just like seeing things the way they're supposed to be...

    I know I'll get A LOT of flack for this, but an entry level Porsche is not a used 911. It would be a 924, 944, or 928, and to some extent a 914.

    Yeah yeah, explain away how these cars are not 911s, how some were not originally intended to be sold as Porshces, but let's face the facts here, buying them is going to be a fraction of the cost of buying any other type of used Porsche, and they were actually designed by Porsche R&D, so they very much have the right to wear the Porsche name, especially when you consider that they're all very capable sports cars.

    A 1986 944 Turbo would kill this 911 with it's power, and the 50/50 weight distribution means it's a sweet handler and much easier to work with for people just starting out with sports cars and Porsche. I've had 2 944s and a 928, and they are really amazing cars to drive. I had a '78 928 5-speed, and that car moved, handled, and had one sweeeeeeeet burbly V8 soundtrack. Hate when these cars get looked over for not being 911s, as they would be considered amazing competitors and awesome buys had they been sold under any other brand.

    way2goslick says:

    11:14 AM, 04/06/2011

    stingray454, some things to consder...1) IL put a blog a few weeks back saying they were specifically going to get a Porsche of some kind. 2) What a person drives says alot about them. Say what you want, but its true. Although the 911 and 'Vette fall in the same Sports Car category, the respective buyers hit completely different demographics. We can all form stereotypes about the Porsche fan / 'Vette fan and I would bet there would be striking similarities as to what people assume 3) The 2002 'Vette Z06 should destroy the $16.5k Porsche as a 20 year newer car should. 4) It's not always about 0-60 times that define the 'better' sports car. 5) Money aside...A better comparison would be a 1984 911 vs a 1984 Corvette and see which performs better. Let's not forget that in '84 the 911 cost over $30k-$40k (alot of money back then). That a salvage title 911 can get $16.5k 20 years later, the 911 probably ages better than many other cars from that era.

    compressor says:

    11:07 AM, 04/06/2011

    stingray454,
    In terms of absolute performance, this thing won't come close to a C5 Z06.  Heck, my stock '87 Carrera will be beaten by a new Civic Si.  But, I didn't buy it for absolute performance.  These cars are very engaging.  No power steering or brakes, no assisted clutch, and a size that no mondern car can replicate.

    You analogy is akin to stating that buying a '63 stingray is stupid because you can get a better performing C5 Z06 for a 1/4 of the money.  Older cars are not purchased for performance stats alone.

    stingray454 says:

    09:32 AM, 04/06/2011

    $16.5k?!?  

    That's about what your long term '02 Z06 is worth today.  Now compare the two cars for the same money, and ask yourself which you would really rather have.  You seriously have to be a major Porsche fan boy to want this 911 over an '02 Z06, even if they were in comparable condition, which they are not.  

    I think you guys are crazy for spending this much on a super beetle, but good luck with it anyway.

    chrisnick04 says:

    08:28 AM, 04/06/2011

    I like it without the spoiler! Very menacing looking car, but hat maroon interior needs to be ditched. This things begging for some dark tint and a serious power boost.

    Check this out....

    http://www.aerocharger.com/kits_porsche_930.php

    mfennell says:

    06:47 AM, 04/06/2011

    I think it looks bad assed.  The price does seem high but it's easy to say "it's not worth it", comparing a car you haven't seen in person with a bunch of ebay cars you haven't seen in person.  It does look very clean in the pictures, ugly interior trim choices notwithstanding, the the refreshed clutch and trans take more than few $$$ out from over your head.  The unnamed seller seems to have a strong P-car reputation too.

    I paid "too much" for my 360 but it came with $26,000 worth of receipts over an 18 month period from one of the best F-car shops in the country.  That was worth a premium to me even if the market says it isn't.

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