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Long-Term Test: 2008 Pontiac G8 GT

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Long-Term Test: 2008 Pontiac G8 GT

Wrap-Up

    26 Ratings

    Here at Inside Line, we're a bit like puppy breeders. We get attached to our new babies while we have them, but then we can let them go easily when the time comes.

    This time, however, things were different. When the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT came to us in 2008, we were hoping that it wouldn't be the last Detroit-built rear-wheel-drive sedan that we ever drove, and we also hoped that this car would bring back Pontiac from the brink of extinction, since it's a brand that we've always loved.

    But as it turned out, the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT would be our last-ever Pontiac. And we hated to see it go.

    Why We Got It
    For us, the G8 GT was the Great Big Hope. Not only did it have a massive V8 matched with rear-wheel drive in a combination that we covet so, but also it had a high-quality interior, European-inspired handling, sharp looks and, all things considered, a bargain-basement price. We were aware of the car long before its debut at the 2007 Chicago Auto Show and even went to Australia to test the 2007 Holden Commodore SS from which it's derived.

    This car appealed to old guys who remember the Chevy Caprice (especially the 1991-'96 Chevy Impala SS to which it led). It appealed to kids who have seen the test that Top Gear conducted of the G8's sister car, the Vauxhall VXR8. As for us, the Pontiac G8 helped us remember what we like about the traditional American sedan with a long hood, too much power, giant doors and room for six (eight if you double-buckle).

    Plus, just look at the thing. How cool is that? Forget the reasonable reasons; we pretty much bought this one because it made us feel cool.

    Durability
    With a 361-horsepower overhead-valve 6.0-liter LS76 V8 that can trace its roots back to the beginning of automotive consciousness (i.e., the '55 Chevy), we expected nothing short of perfection from the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT's engine room. But we weren't sure if the Australian planners and assembly-line workers had executed the chassis package in the same spirit. So considering that, it's something to say that we were pleasantly surprised by what the G8 GT returned.

    Not only did our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT provide just under 36,000 trouble-free miles, but it did so under sometimes stressful conditions — which resulted in a $684.67 bill for new rear tires.

    But for all that, our G8 required only three oil changes. That's three, not the 12 oil changes that might have been required back in the days when you had to change your low-grade mineral oil every 3,000 miles. We just let the Pontiac's electronic sensors determine when the oil had to be changed. And since the cost of each oil change averaged $35, we saved a lot of cash, not to mention a lot of time, by listening to the sensors. Also we saved a lot of oil, using 27 quarts instead of 108.

    "Inside Line," you're saying, "my daddy taught me to change the oil every 3,000 miles. He'd die and then roll over in his grave if I told him about a 13,000-mile interval between oil changes. Got any proof this works?"

    Yes, we do! Just before the G8's final oil change, Senior Consumer Advice Editor Phillip Reed sent a sample of the G8's oil to Blackstone Labs for analysis. The sample came back good on all fronts, but just barely so. Turns out that the G8's sensor was correct, and so 13,000 miles proved to be the perfect mileage to ensure that the oil's goodness had been used to its fullest, since there wasn't much life left in it. But another lesson here is, when the service light turns on, get it done fast, because the oil is done.

    These things were to be expected, though. What we didn't expect was a 14-day repair for a wheel-speed sensor/traction control failure, a broken key fob and a loose center trim panel (which Dan Edmunds fixed himself). New brakes were necessary at the end of the 2008 Pontiac G8's service life, but parts availability and time constraints meant that we sold the car at a slight discount after making full disclosure about the brakes.

    There were some complaints about useless knobs and an overly bright light for the "Passenger Air Bag off" warning light in the rearview mirror that were silly details that Pontiac probably would have fixed for the G8 Version 2.0. Sigh.

    Total Body Repair Costs: 0
    Total Routine Maintenance Costs (over 17 months): $179.74
    Additional Maintenance Costs: $684.67
    Warranty Repairs: 2
    Non-Warranty Repairs: 0
    Scheduled Dealer Visits: 3
    Unscheduled Dealer Visits: 2
    Days Out of Service: 15
    Breakdowns Stranding Driver: 0

    Performance and Fuel Economy
    During our initial testing of this 2008 Pontiac G8 GT at the beginning of its term with us, it returned some impressive numbers: 5.8 seconds to 60 mph from a standstill (5.5 seconds to 60 with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and a quarter-mile pass in 13.95 seconds at 101.3 mph. Its performance in our handling evaluation was equally impressive, including a 113-foot stop from 60 mph, a 66.3-mph run through the slalom and a 0.86g result on the skid pad. When we conducted our testing at the end of its term, the G8 GT performed nearly identically on its new Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tires.

    In the real world we weren't so concerned with ultimate performance, but most of us drove the car in Sport mode all the time, thereby exchanging an annoying fuel-economy calibration for a usable driving experience. That considered, we still averaged 18 mpg over the course of 35,332 miles. This is exactly what the EPA says we should get and our best tank ties the EPA's estimate for highway mpg. (Though it must be said that our low of 12 mpg is a full 3 mpg below what the EPA guesses you should get in a city loop. Oh well, I doubt its loop left any evidence of the trip.)

    Best Fuel Economy: 24.3 mpg
    Worst Fuel Economy: 12 mpg
    Average Fuel Economy: 18 mpg

    Retained Value
    Turns out that trying to sell a used car from a brand that no longer exists isn't the way to quick and easy profit.

    While few people balked at the idea of buying a used, full-size American sedan, there were hesitant questions about parts, service and warranty. A few were ultimately dissuaded and a few more were inspired to conduct aggressive price negotiations. But it didn't matter to us, as were happy to keep driving our First 888 G8 and wait for the right buyer. Eventually, he showed up, a Navy mechanic who owns six cars and does all the maintenance himself. He didn't ask about warranties or how the light worked for the service interval; he just wanted some cash off for the brakes and a little extra for the extra miles we'd piled on while waiting for a buyer. And then we took off an extra hundred bucks, our own military discount program.

    For $21,000 even, Angel Acosta walked away with what, only 17 months previously, had cost us $31,845.

    True Market Value at service end: $21,700
    What it sold for: $21,000
    Depreciation: $10,145 or 31% of original paid price
    Final Odometer Reading: 35,332

    And Then There Were None
    We walked into this test assuming we were riding the front of a wave — a tsunami of sales of full-size American-made rear-wheel-drive sedans. The 2008 Pontiac G8, we hoped, would prove the viability and marketability of such hardware. Ford would follow suit, bringing over the Aussie Falcon. Chevy would rebadge the G8 as a Caprice or Impala. We'd get the Holden VE Utility as an El Camino, and maybe a wagon, too!

    And then the economy went bust.

    And GM declared bankruptcy.

    And Pontiac shut its doors.

    And our dream died.

    We remember when our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT only had 7,028 miles on the odometer, yet Inside Line Editor in Chief Scott Oldham let go with an enthusiastic comment that ultimately summed up our year and a half: "This car just keeps surprising me. It's easily the best vehicle GM sells in America today.... When you look at the Pontiac's price, performance and package, it's easily the best of GM's best."

    Edmunds purchased this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.

    Road Test

    Introduction

    Night: Sunset Boulevard, Hollywood
    The usual suspects are eyeing our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT as we cruise a free-flowing stretch of Sunset Boulevard. An aspiring starlet in a black smock that barely passes for a dress trips over a sidewalk grate, fixated on the triangular red badge of Pontiac that's sandwiched between the menacing honeycomb nostrils. Four Polo-clad rich kids in a new BMW 328 stare, chat among themselves and then rev their car's engine. The badge on our trunk says GT. In this case, it indicates a 6.0-liter V8, which means our authentic rear-wheel-drive, modern American muscle car doesn't have to indulge in such taunting to attract attention like the base-model Bavarian.

    But it's not until a Rolls-Royce Phantom starts to pace us that we realize there's something really special here that everyone can recognize. White with white wheels, the massive Roller is the antithesis to our Panther Black Metallic 2008 Pontiac G8 GT. When the horn of the Rolls-Royce sounds, we think race. Instead, glaring from behind the massive wheel is a face we've seen before in television and music videos but can't put a name to. He's giving us the thumbs-up in an effortlessly cool way. We return the signal and look like dorks.

    To save face we pin the gas. Take off. Our black beauty disappears into the cool darkness of the Los Angeles night like a ball bearing dropping into a barrel of 40-weight oil, reaffirming our judgment about the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT. The G8 is here, it's cool, and for the next 12 months, Edmunds Inside Line owns one.

    Why We Bought It
    Simply put, we bought this 2008 Pontiac G8 GT because a full-size, rear-wheel-drive, V8-powered American sedan is what we've been aching for. Because, now, finally, more than 10 years after the demise of the Chevy Caprice and its black-sheep brother the Impala SS, General Motors has something for us to buy. And it has Chrysler to thank for that.

    Back at the 2003 New York Auto Show, Chrysler showed off something that grabbed the industry by the transverse engine: the Chrysler 300C. It was big, rear-wheel drive, powered by a V8 and as brash and American as a fastball to the small of the back. The public praise had a hint of doubt, however. Would it sell in the Snowbelt? Would customers warm to the throwback styling? Was this whole rear-wheel-drive, give-the-customers-what-they-want thing going to work? Would a rip-snorting pushrod V8 in a large sedan sell now that gas isn't 72 cents a gallon? GM, and the rest of the world, watched closely to find out.

    Based on a previous-generation Mercedes-Benz E-Class platform, the Chrysler 300C transcended our expectations. It was powerful, yet refined. And it sold. It spawned two more rear-wheel-drive cars, the Dodge Charger and the recently (and sadly) departed Dodge Magnum from the same architecture. The success of the 300C didn't get past the watchful eye of one Bob Lutz, and he understood the key to its success in a mainstream sedan. Namely, a big V8 builds the hype, and then a potent, fuel-efficient V6 fills the bank.

    Clearly there was a market for this type of car, and GM's vice chairman of global product development wanted a slice of the pie. Lucky enough, our Bob was thinking globally and he had access to some very fine engineers Down Under.

    The Australian Connection
    Australia gets a bad rap. Sure, it was a penal colony for a time and, yes, every poisonous animal in the world lives there. And, yes, it soiled international tennis with Lleyton Hewitt, but all's not lost.

    There's an opera house rivaled in nonsensical coolness only by Los Angeles' own Disney Concert Hall. There's Ayers Rock, the world's largest monolith. And then there's V8 Supercar Racing, a road-racing series with many similarities to the original NASCAR that's dominated by GM's Holden brand. Holden is known for big engines, big power and big fun. With a new rear-wheel-drive platform under development for the Holden Commodore, a few tweaks helped create a version for America.

    With the world-class 6.0-liter GM V8 and the strong but fuel-efficient 256-horsepower 3.6-liter V6 already on the shelf in the States, the pieces of the puzzle fit together nicely. Unfortunately for the General, the guy who specializes in vehicle taxonomy had the week off; the cryptic, alphanumeric G8 would have to work. And that's how the Pontiac G8 came to America.

    What We Bought

    If you've been reading Inside Line for any period of time, you knew what trim level we bought before you clicked the link. There was a V8 available, and while it certainly won't be the volume seller, a big thumping V8 moves us in ways no radar gun can measure. The 361-hp 6.0-liter V8 is tucked into the GT package, which also includes a six-speed automatic transmission in place of the standard five-speed automatic. A six-speed manual will be available on the upcoming, high-performance 2009 Pontiac GXP version of this car. The GT specification also means we have an 11-speaker Blaupunkt stereo with an in-dash six-disc CD changer. Starting at $29,995, the GT is only $2,400 more than the V6 model, and even with gas near $4 per gallon, that's a deal.

    Insofar as options go, the G8 is limited. We opted for the Premium Package ($1,250) which gives us heated, leather-upholstered, six-way adjustable front seats and a leather-trimmed shift knob. As for the Performance Package ($600), we selected it because it's in our DNA, like asking us if we want meat on our pizza or if we want to go to the bar and watch the game. The answer is always yes even if there are some sacrifices. The Performance Package here consists of 19-inch cast-aluminum wheels with extra-grippy, summer-only 245/40R19 Bridgestone Potenza RE050A performance tires.

    Including the $685 destination fee, our 2008 Pontiac G8 GT cost us $31,845.

    The Road Ahead
    Now that the 2008 Pontiac G8 has finally brought Pontiac to its long-sought goal, it's ironic that the company has ditched its longtime slogan, "Driving excitement." Now the tagline is the grammatically challenged, "Pontiac is car."

    We have a better suggestion: "Not your father's Pontiac (but it's close enough)."

    With a limited audience and limited volume, the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT will not be the car that saves Pontiac (if it needs saving). No, this car is here to show America that GM is listening and really paying attention to the kind of cars we're asking for. It's a good indication about where GM is headed.

    Follow along with our Long-Term Road Test blog to see if 20,000 miles and 12 months with Pontiac's reborn super-sedan lives up to the hype we've been all too eager to drum up.

    Current Odometer: 1,206 miles
    Best Fuel Economy: 18.0 mpg
    Worst Fuel Economy: 12.4 mpg
    Average Fuel Economy (over the life of the vehicle): 15.2 mpg

    Edmunds purchased this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.

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    kingfish4 says:

    06:54 AM, 02/27/2010

    Exactly one year ago today, I took delivery of my 2009 G8 GT.  As I travel for a living I now have 33759 miles on the vehicle.  Mine has leather and sunroof, but no sport package.

    Warranty repairs consisted of the rear brakes making a noise, the shield was rubbing the rotors, and the drivers seat making a squeaking noise, which the dealer repaired, but bent the rake adjuster in the process.  My gas mileage has averaged 21.5 with a 70/30 mix of highway and city driving.  I have performed 3 oil changes, all around 10K miles, even though the OLM indicates that I have 30% left at this mileage.  To err on the side of caution, I am using Pennzoil full synthetic with an AC Delco oil filter and the cost has been $123.00.  The rear tires are close to needing replacing, as I have never rotated them, but I can't imagine why:)

    The price I paid was $27300 with rebates and supplier pricing.  I really could have driven my 05 Malibu Maxx another 100K miles (it had 127K miles) but the deal on the Pontiac was just too good to pass up.

    On the highway at 70, it gets 27 mpg, but with the power, it is just too tempting not to wood the pedal every once in a while.  I especially like being able to pass quickly on two lane highways without wondering if I will be able to complete the pass.

    It is a comfortable highway crusier as well a entertaining to run the twisties in the mountains, I have yet to hear the tires squeal in protest, despite making mountain runs at very high speeds.  Despite its size, it is even more fun in the mountains than my old Fiat X1/9, due to the abundance of power.  The only problem I have is that every rice rocket wants to race, to which I let them start to pull up, then I just punch it and watch them fall back.

    It's a shame that it is gone, as the Camaro and CTS are the only rear wheel drive alternative from GM, both of which are smaller and cost more to achieve the same level of performance.  And I'm sorry a Taurus SHO, even with EcoBoost just doesn't cut it, as I also owned a Taurus with the Duratec V6.

    It will be missed, I'm keeping mine for a long time, but may have to part with my 70 AMC Javelin SST.  

    wikiwiki says:

    01:43 PM, 02/16/2010

    With the G8, Solstice, and Vibe I will never understand why GM killed Pontiac and kept GMC.  GMC is nothing but rebadged Chevys.

    And would it be that costly to at least rename the G8 to Impala?  The current Impala is a lame duck and the G8 is a great car.  I don't get it.

    I would have killed off Saturn and GMC.  Buick too if it were not for its massive success in China.

    Wouldn't it be easier to make people believe that Pontiac is building excitement again instead of convincing people that Buick is no longer for the elderly?

    zq8 says:

    08:16 AM, 02/14/2010

    I have had TWO different Pontiac G8 GT's and this is the best car I have EVER owned !

    05stangdriver says:

    02:06 PM, 02/13/2010

    Typical GM, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  Why the hell did they kill Pontiac and Saturn just when those brands were getting good products:  Pontiac had the G8, the Solstice and the Vibe (by all accounts an excellent small hatchback - well, except for the Toyota accelerator pedal snafu, but that's being fixed as we speak), and Saturn had all of the really good Opel products in the pipeline. . . It's really a shame.

    I'll say it again, GM has managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    jimstar says:

    07:24 PM, 02/12/2010

    it didn't die, it simply moved back to Australia....*sigh*

    flyusmc says:

    06:21 PM, 02/12/2010

    IL...Thank You.  It is becasue of your review that I ended up buying a 2009 G8 GT.  Same MGM color and I have the summer only tires as well.  I was able to add a factory installed Bluetooth unit and some high $ weather mat liners, but that is it.  It has been a great truble free car with 0 squeeks rattles etc.  In colorado I was able to eek out 36.6 MPG!!!!! In North Dakota the best I can do is 27 MPG.  I am sure that has to do with the fuel air mixture.

    So whats next for me?  Well IL loves the Challenger...hmmm...two cars in my stable??  Waddaya say Honey?

    beau_lane says:

    04:29 PM, 02/12/2010

    I live in Australia, and truly love our Holden commodore's with the choise from a 3.0L 190kw(255hp) to the 6.2L 317kw(425hp). You can have these in the luxo grange or the standed ss, but i just dont no why you(the USA) havent got fords new Falcon. They have better moters and are way quicker, the xr6 turbo has a 4.0L turbo six with 270kw(362hp) and gets to 100kph(62mph) in 5.0 with no role out. Then there is the new GT-HO, whats the killer, 5.0L V8 supercharged 375kw(503hp) and a 0-100kph(62mph) of under 4.4sec. I truly love Australian cars.

    Beau Lane.

    alex1zdorke says:

    04:28 PM, 02/12/2010

    Hey guys.   That's my dad who bought the car.  It's unbelievable that he ended up with another car in the driveway but seeing how he's about to retire, this car fits him right.  Anyway, I was checking out the car and noticed a little dent on the trunk near the emblems.  He said it was like that when he got it.  Any stories behind this?

    g8driver says:

    01:37 PM, 02/12/2010

    Thanks for the farewell article!  I've said on your blog before and I'll say it again....I love my 2009 G8 GT!  I enjoy it on every mile of my 80 mile roundtrip to work every day.

    It always puts a grin on my face when I start it and step on the gas.  37K miles so far and troublefree.  Only  a handful of oil changes and amazingly, the original Bridgestones still look great!  Always fun to take to the dragstrip and show others what a real four door V8 sedan do in the quarter mile.

    It may not have the bells and whistles of other cars, it may not have the luxury brand name on it, but it definitely looks great, handles great, and can lay a nice set of stripes on the road at will.

    I plan to keep mine for a very long time.

    zoolander1 says:

    10:47 AM, 02/12/2010

    These fuel economy numbers aren't bad at all. My prior car was a 2007 IS350 and the actual combined mpg was a little over 19. The best fuel economy I would get was about 26.5, never the claimed 27. So in comparison, I believe that the G8 numbers are very comparable eventhough it has a V8... great car, sad to see it go.

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