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    Do you want a Mazdaspeed 3 sedan? | February 26, 2010

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2010 Mazda 3 s Grand Touring Sedan SEMA First Drive

Do You Want a Mazdaspeed 3 Sedan?

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    "And if you say to me tomorrow, oh what fun it all would be.
    Then what's to stop us, pretty baby,
    But what is and what should never be..."

    It might be a stretch to infer anything from the fact that "What Is and What Should Never Be" falls between "Whole Lotta Love" and "The Lemon Song" on Led Zeppelin II. Nevertheless, the car that Mazda prepared for the 2009 SEMA Show that you see would seem to fall neatly between a production Mazdaspeed 3 (which comes only in hatchback form) and the plain old Mazda 3 sedan.

    We've already demonstrated a whole lotta love for the Mazdaspeed 3, while the Mazda 3 sedan hasn't earned so much love from us, not the base-model i version with its 144-horsepower 2.0-liter inline-4 engine anyway.

    So have you ever thought what fun it all would be if Mazda combined the bits from a Mazdaspeed 3 hatchback with the Mazda 3 s Grand Touring sedan to make a Mazdaspeed 3 sedan? Sure the factory Mazdaspeed 3 hatchback is practical, fast and funky, but why not a fast and funky sedan minus the two-box design and pesky practicality of the hatch?

    This is a question that Mazda has answered with its project car from the 2009 SEMA Show, the 2010 Mazda 3 s Grand Touring Sedan SEMA.

    Show and Go
    Like the Mazdaspeed 3 SEMA showcar we drove, we agreed to refrain from firing up the GPS data logger at the test track for this hand-assembled, one-off showcar. But we still got to drive it for a few days, put the fear in a few unsuspecting fanboys and burn a few tanks of premium dino-juice, thank you.

    Also like the previous Mazda SEMA car, this Mazda 3 s Grand Touring car is tastefully adorned with a subtle and appealing custom paint job. The base coat of crystal-white pearl helps dramatize the soft-gray graphics. But it's the glossy black roof that really had people doing double-takes.

    We think Mazda is clearly riffing on the carbon-fiber roof panel of the BMW M3 coupe here, and when this styling lick is combined with tinted windows, dark-red taillight lenses and 19-inch forged wheels from an RX-8 R3, the Bavarian-meme effect is complete. Who knew the perpetually pleased Mazda 3 could look so sinister?

    The Heart of the Beast
    Looks only go so far in this world of compact cars, where side skirts and wings so often conceal mechanical shortcomings. Not so here, as Mazda's SEMA team wanted something more than a Mazdaspeed 3 in a sedan wrapper. Instead, Tri-Point Engineering in Canoga Park, California, was commissioned to apply a little go-fast engineering based on its experience with the racing cars it prepares for the SCCA World Challenge.

    We'd peg this MS3 SEMA sedan at 5.8 seconds to 60 mph with a quarter-mile of 13.5 seconds at 105 mph.

    Tri-Point started by installing a Garrett GT2871R ball-bearing turbo (with 10 psi of boost, a relatively mild amount) to the stock 2.5-liter inline-4 of the Mazda 3 s Grand Touring. What once was an adequately powered four-banger is now a fiend that practically belches fire out of its turbo wastegate and has the power to rip the rubber from this car's 225/40ZR19 Yokohama Advan Sports. Mazda simply admits that this engine produces "well over 250 hp at the wheels." To which we would add, "Yeah, about 50 hp over 250!"

    And what's even more shocking, there's no torque steer — not the kind that twists the steering wheel out of your hands when you introduce the throttle pedal to the properly affixed floor mat, anyway. Sure, there's noticeable steering squirm and wiggle, but it doesn't threaten to put the car in a ditch.

    This is some feat, as the Mazdaspeed 3 struggles to maintain traction with its 263 hp at 5,500 rpm and 280 pound-feet of torque at 3,000 rpm. Our seat-of-the-pants guesstimate for this SEMA car suggests upward of 300 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque. And as long as we're prognosticating, we'd peg this MS3 SEMA sedan at 5.8 seconds to 60 mph with a quarter-mile performance of 13.5 seconds at 105 mph.

    Jeez, These Are Tight Suspenders
    If you were wondering if Mazda reused the special StopTech brakes from the Mazdaspeed 3 SEMA for this car, we can confirm that they were indeed recycled, repainted and fitted to this car.

    The SEMA team also replaced the stock discs with Powerslot rotors and then used Mazda 5 calipers for the rear brakes (painted to match the StopTechs, of course). This brake setup improved initial bite and delivered more progressive effectiveness with better feel from the pedal. The overall action is very much like that of a racing car, as braking effect is related to pressure on the pedal rather than travel of the brake pedal. Nice job, guys.

    Until this point, everything goes, stops, sounds and works like a factory hot-rod sedan. But unlike the well-sorted suspension of the Mazdaspeed 3 SEMA, the sedan's KW suspension kit with coil-over dampers and an adjustable rear antiroll bar made this SEMA car ride like a freight car.

    Though the two SEMA cars share many of the same suspension parts, it appears they've not yet been optimized for anything resembling a reasonable ride on the street. (Sorry for the smell of spilled coffee in this car, Mazda. I didn't even see the pencil in the road until it was too late.) It feels like our long-term Mitsubishi Lancer Evo project car before we tweaked the Vorshlag knobs.

    Would the Mazdaspeed 3 Sedan have circled our skid pad with more lateral acceleration than a stock MS3's 0.89g? Probably. Would it have run faster than 72.4 mph through the slalom like the MS3? Probably not, because as we've demonstrated and measured with many too-taut suspension setups, it'd likely get way too squirrelly and slide wide (or oversteer) as the 70-mph barrier approached, even with the sticky high-performance rubber.

    As it is, this car is barely drivable on anything but the smoothest stretches of tarmac. Forget about charging up mountain roads with confidence, because if this stiff-legged car encounters a midcorner bump, it skips over the line like RuPaul at a ball-gown sale.

    What Is and What Never Should Be
    The premise behind the SEMA showcar is sound. A Mazdaspeed 3 sedan is a good idea, and Mazda has proven here it can get the look, the drivetrain and the brakes that such a car deserves. The suspension? We know that the right people can turn the right adjusters to make the KW setup work, but we all have to recognize that the Mazdaspeed 3's standard suspension is already as firm as a street setup can be.

    So that leaves the matter of price. Of course our $12,000 parts-only estimate for you to build a car like this in your garage is pretty ludicrous. If, on the other hand, you call up Tri-Point and have them work up a Garrett turbo kit and Mazdaspeed suspension/brake package with appropriate wheels, you might get out of there for about $5,000.

    The larger question is, should Mazda offer a factory-built Mazdaspeed 3 sedan? Well, the MS3 is already a niche player. It would be an expensive gamble to engineer, build and EPA-certify such a car.

    What do you think? Post a comment and let us know if you and your friends would be interested in a Mazdaspeed 3 sedan. We are, but then again, we like the idea of a BMW M5 wagon, which apparently appeals to only about a dozen people in the country.

    The manufacturer provided Edmunds this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.

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    racerx1320 says:

    01:38 PM, 03/11/2010

    Took someone 6 years to create this? (Scratchin head)

    hondacura4 says:

    10:26 AM, 03/08/2010

    Ive seen the 5 spoke RX-8 rims installed on a last generation Mazda6 so it just might work on the current MS3.

    perrito says:

    09:43 AM, 03/08/2010

    "Do you want a Mazdaspeed 3 sedan?" NO.

    myob says:

    12:01 PM, 03/05/2010

    Why not just an automatic transmission version of the MS3?  The standard car needs more power and better handling/braking, but not everyone can put up with the (reportedly not smooth as silk) 6 speed manual in their daily driving.  

    pfusco says:

    07:30 AM, 03/04/2010

    I have pestered my dealer and written to Mazda begging them to make a MS3 sedan. As much as I love the hatch some of us who have other more obnoxious toys for special days, would like something a little more anonymous as a daily driver, with some differentiation from the regular GT sedan (hopefully just function and performance related - no big wings please) but with the performance and power just rippling underneath.

    mmorgan says:

    09:16 PM, 03/03/2010

    Ihave a 3 GT Sedan and would be interested in buying factory warranted parts to increase performance.  Also, when it is time to repurchase, I'd pay extra for a Mazdaspeed 3 Sedan, but it would have to have an automatic to get it past my wife.  Living in Tennessee, driving in hills with a clutch can get tedious.

    rsuther2 says:

    11:30 AM, 03/03/2010

    Personally I like the hatchback MS3, howerver I think that the hatchback body style is not nearly as accepted here is the US of A as in other parts of the world. Im sure this is a world car platform and sells well globally. I also think the MS3 sedan would sell better here than the hatchback but I'm not sure that the increased sales would cover the cost to get this car to market and generate a profit.

    ttbuyer says:

    04:49 AM, 03/03/2010

    I wish Mazda WOULD build a Speed3 sedan.  I have driven the Speed3 and was very impressed, but I won't buy a performance hatchback (they strike me as dorkmobiles)

    tjc27 says:

    11:09 AM, 03/02/2010

    Being a 2010 Speed3 owner, this sedan shape is a little too tamed for my taste.  I prefer the hatchback.  It would be interesting to see if Mazda offers this sedan in their lineup.  Not sure what would be the better seller, the sedan or the hatchback.  

    sabastian says:

    07:56 AM, 03/02/2010

    I'm not sure about the entire car, but I do like the idea of a Mazdaspeed 3 without the ridiculous dot-matrix interior pattern.  

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    Speed Read

    Vehicle Tested:

    2010 Mazda 3 s Grand Touring Sedan SEMA Showcar

    Base Price:

    Car, $22,250; parts, $11,886-plus

    Engine:

    Turbocharged 2.5-liter inline-4

    Gearbox:

    Six-speed manual

    Power:

    300-hp @ 6,000 rpm; 300 lb-ft of torque @ 2,000 rpm

    EPA Rating:

    NA

    On Sale:

    Never, but you can buy the pieces and make your own.

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    Specs & Performance

    Vehicle
    Model year2010
    MakeMazda
    ModelMazda 3
    Styles Grand Touring 4dr Sedan (2.5L 4cyl Turbo 6M)
    Base MSRP$22,250
    Options on test vehicleMoonroof, Six-CD and Bose Audio Package ($1,395 ); Sirius Satellite Radio ($430 ); Mazda RX-8 R3 Forged Aluminum Wheels ($4,944); Yokohama Advan Sport Tires 225/40AR19 ($1,172); KW Suspension Variant 3 Coil-Over Kit ($2,145); Prototype Garrett GT2871R Ball-Bearing Turbo With 10 psi of Boost ($1,200+); Mazdaspeed 3 Front Calipers, Mazda 5 Rear Calipers (both with Powerslot rotors $400+); Tri-Point Adjustable Rear Antiroll Bar ($200)
    As-tested MSRP$34,136+ (est. excludes custom paint, and installation/tuning labor)
    Drivetrain
    Drive typeFront-wheel drive
    Engine typeTurbocharged Inline-4
    Displacement (cc/cu-in)2,489cc (152 cu-in)
    Block/head materialAluminum/aluminum
    ValvetrainDOHC, four valves per cylinder, variable valve timing
    Compression ratio (x:1)9.7
    Redline (rpm)6,200
    Horsepower (hp @ rpm)167 @ 6,000 stock (300 @ 6,000 est.)
    Torque (lb-ft @ rpm)168 @ 4,000 (300 @ 2,000 est.)
    Transmission typeSix-speed manual
    Transmission and axle ratios (x:1)1st = 3.454; 2nd = 2.059; 3rd = 1.392; 4th = 1.030; 5th = 0.837, 6th = 0.717, FD = 4.105; R = 3.198
    Chassis
    Suspension, frontIndependent, KW double-adjustable coil-over MacPherson struts, performance-tuned springs and factory stabilizer bar
    Suspension, rearIndependent, multilink with KW double-adjustable shock absorbers, height-adjustable performance-tuned coil springs and Tri-Point adjustable stabilizer bar
    Steering typeSpeed-proportional electric-assist rack-and-pinion power steering
    Steering ratio (x:1)16.2
    Turning circle (ft.)34.2
    Tire brandYokohama
    Tire modelAdvan Sport
    Tire typeHigh-performance summer
    Tire size, front225/40ZR19 93Y
    Tire size, rear225/40ZR19 93Y
    Wheel size19-by-8 inches front and rear
    Wheel materialForged aluminum alloy
    Brakes, front12.6-inch ventilated disc
    Brakes, rear10.43-inch ventilated disc
    Test Driver Ratings & Comments
    Acceleration commentsWhile it's not what I'd call torque steer per se, this car has enough power to produce pronounced nibble, wheelspin and general "squirreliness" with anything more than 3/4 throttle. That said, the traction control system can be caught completely on its heels and can only chop the throttle in reaction to the explosive boost only to release its grip right as the turbo is making crazy boost again, at which point it chops throttle, and so on.
    Braking commentsPerhaps the most "OEM-feeling" part of the SEMA concept car. There's little idle stroke and intuitive progression that tends to feel more like a pressure- (rather than travel) regulated setup. I like it.
    Handling commentsJarring, too stiff, needs attention in a big way. Sure the car looks right sitting lower than stock, but the springs feel too stiff, and the rebound too harsh. It needs to breathe better before it can handle better. I suspect it'd make decent numbers at our test facility with the one exception of the dip/hop at cone No. 3 on our slalom course. Also, detected some tire rub from the front.
    Fuel Consumption
    EPA fuel economy (mpg)Not available
    Edmunds observed (mpg)Not available
    Fuel tank capacity (U.S. gal.)15.9
    Dimensions & Capacities
    Curb weight, mfr. claim (lbs.)2,963
    Curb weight, as tested (lbs.)Not available
    Weight distribution, as tested, f/r (%)Not available
    Length (in.)180.9
    Width (in.)69.1
    Height (in.)57.9
    Wheelbase (in.)103.9
    Track, front (in.)60.2
    Track, rear (in.)59.6
    Legroom, front (in.)42.0
    Legroom, rear (in.)36.2
    Headroom, front (in.)38.1
    Headroom, rear (in.)37.4
    Shoulder room, front (in.)54.9
    Shoulder room, rear (in.)54.0
    Seating capacity5
    Cargo volume (cu-ft)11.8
    Warranty
    Bumper-to-bumperNot available
    PowertrainNot available
    CorrosionNot available
    Roadside assistanceNot available
    Free scheduled maintenanceNot Available
    Safety
    Front airbagsStandard
    Side airbagsStandard dual front
    Head airbagsStandard front and rear
    Knee airbagsNot available
    Antilock brakesFour-wheel ABS
    Electronic brake enhancementsBraking assist, electronic brakeforce distribution
    Traction controlStandard
    Stability controlStandard
    Rollover protectionNot available
    Tire-pressure monitoring systemStandard tire-pressure monitoring
    Emergency assistance systemNot available
    NHTSA crash test, driver5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, passenger5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, side front5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, side rear4 stars
    NHTSA rollover resistance4 stars
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