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    The 2012 Civic Si did nothing to move the performance needle in 2012. This is how all Civics should be. But the high-performance Si deserves more performance. Read the Full Test of the 2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe. | May 17, 2011

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2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe Full Test and Video

Nice Civic, but Is This Really an Si?

    111 Ratings

    We like the 2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe. We really do, but we just don't love it the way we want to — or the way we used to.

    Since the fourth-generation (1999-2000) Civic Si, we've had a hard time believing Honda's heart was in it anymore. Sure the zinging, high-revving VTEC engines have been inspiring and entertaining, but far from top-in-class. On the other hand, the snickity-snick shifters (with the exception of that "bent-nail" shifter jutting from the fifth-gen Civic Si's dash) have been the benchmark of "how to do it right."

    Offering various body styles (coupe, hatch and sedan) over the years has kept our attention. And the limited-slip differential finally came back on the sixth-gen (2006-'11) Si and remains part of the 2012 Civic Si's exclusive, performance-oriented equipment.

    "Sí" or "No?"
    This time around, in the Si's seventh generation (and the Civic's ninth) the sum total of all that is "Civic Si" adds up to a shoulder-shrugging "meh" for us. What happened? Did the water line rise or did the 2012 Honda Civic Si sink to the bottom, dragged down by a risk-averse Honda? Indeed, a handful of other sporty coupes — all better-looking, some with lower prices, others with turbocharged four-cylinder or V6 engines, and even a couple with rear-wheel drive — prove the Honda Civic Si has grown old, soft and irrelevant.

    Here's why.

    K24Z7
    We like the Civic Si's "new" 2.4-liter i-VTEC engine, which is rated at 201 horsepower and 170 pound-feet of torque. If its bore/stroke, compression ratio and output sound familiar, you'll find this engine belongs to the K24 engine family. In this state of tune, it is essentially the same power plant found in our long-term Acura TSX Sport Wagon, which has proven that a good four-cylinder engine can, indeed, take the place of a mediocre V6. This one also earns ultralow-emissions vehicle (ULEV-2) status.

    To Honda's credit, the 2012 Si's new mill offers about 20 percent more torque than the 2.0-liter 197-hp K20 inline-4 and it arrives 1,700 rpm lower on the tachometer. It's true that it's a whole lot easier to build speed below 5,000 rpm and with the light-action clutch, you'd have to be a total newbie to stall the 2012 Honda Civic Si from a stop. And despite ever-so-slightly different gears ratios on 2nd through 6th (a six-speed manual is the only tranny option), 3rd gear doesn't feel like overdrive like it once did, and was a generally good choice for everyday driving through a neighborhood and on the twisting road we used for the photo shoot.

    In fact, imploring actual acceleration with the throttle at 20 mph and 2,000 rpm resulted in, well, actual forward motion accompanied by a now lower, more authoritative exhaust note. The 2012 Si is slightly quieter at idle, louder at wide-open throttle, and despite spinning at 3,000 rpm, quieter at a 70-mph cruise. We call these improvements, but not the kind we expected of an all-new Civic Si that's been significantly upgraded for 2012.

    The K24 also produces peak output at 7,000 rpm (rather than 7,800), and is incrementally more fuel-efficient compared to the outgoing, higher-revving K20. The car's fuel economy improved slightly (by 1 mpg in the EPA's realistic combined category to 25 mpg) and we validated that claim with our own identical average over 662 miles of mixed driving.

    The thing is, we'd happily trade some of the K24's more accessible torque and negligible fuel efficiency for more power; 240 hp would seem about right and that 100 hp-per-liter output would actually make it competitive rather than merely competent.

    On the other hand, your mom would not object to the 2012 Civic Si's highway ride.

    Any Quicker?
    To exactly nobody's surprise, we confirmed that the 2012 Honda Civic Si's 0-60-mph time and quarter-mile were nearly identical to the last 2006 Civic Si Coupe we tested. We recorded a 6.9-second best time to 60 mph (6.6 seconds with 1 foot of rollout as on a drag strip and a 15.1-second quarter-mile at 93.1 mph — just like we did five years ago. The shifter is still as we had hoped — well oiled, light and precise.

    Civic Si stopping distances have been notoriously inconsistent depending on tire selection, pad wear and surface conditions. In past tests, we've recorded between 116 and 125 feet from 60 mph. It seems our test car's optional Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 tires ($200), properly bedded pads and fresh asphalt were in harmony. With some initial idle stroke in the brake pedal, this car's first stop was its best at 120 feet, and by the sixth and final attempt, that distance grew by only 5 feet. We experienced none of the notorious brake fade so common in other Hondas, and "jump-in" (sensitive initial response) actually improved with the added stops.

    Nimbler or Softer?
    Compared to last year's car, the 2012 Honda Civic Si's wheelbase decreased by 1.1 inch, the rear track width grew by 0.2 inch and official curb weight dropped by 18 pounds. One would hope these changes would yield improved handling. Once more, hit the rewind and play buttons. This car's best skid pad performance again exactly matched our 2006 Si Coupe's at 0.86g and essentially tied the slalom speed with 67.3 mph versus 67.5 mph.

    In the past, we've paid well-deserved compliments for the Civic Si's electric-assist power steering, but this time it feels less alert; more "gooey" as one editor described it. Perhaps to compensate for (rather than take advantage of) the 2012 car's shorter wheelbase, the steering ratio was changed from 13.62:1 to 16.08:1. It's a small change, and while the steering responds as precisely as it did, it also seems to have lost some of the feel in the process. Seeing a pattern develop yet?

    On the other hand, your mom would not object to the 2012 Honda Civic Si's highway ride. There were very few surfaces or impacts that upset the car's smooth ride or cornering attitude. If you think about it like this, "improved ride with no loss in handling," then we concede another overall improvement, but not a performance improvement, per se.

    Better Interior?
    We like all the added standard features: Bluetooth (phone and audio), a crisp 5-inch LCD infotainment display and a 360-watt audio system with USB and auxiliary jacks. We tested it all, and it all worked flawlessly and intuitively. Acoustically, this is an excellent "base" stereo by the way. We just wish the interior that surrounds the upgraded electronics had been upgraded as well. There is not one soft-touch surface to be found, only hollow plastics in various shades of gray/black and with at least three different manmade textures. Although covered in fabric, even the armrests are not what we'd call padded.

    The front seats are still high-tech cloth-covered, well-bolstered and easily adjusted manually. They even seem more substantial, though no more comfortable or supportive. A tilting-and-telescoping steering column ensures a good driving position and the new leather-wrapped steering wheel with excellent satellite controls is outstanding. The brake and throttle pedals are properly placed for heel-toe downshifting, and the electronic throttle response allows this to happen without pause.

    Outward visibility is challenging with the combination of a giant A-pillar, rising beltline and obscuring C-pillar. As with most coupes, second-row ingress/egress is problematic, and repositioning either front seat so a normal human may sit in it could be improved with a "mechanical memory" of where the front seat was previously set. Legroom in the rear seats is passable, but headroom may not be for some. These are all small-coupe compromises not particular to the Civic Si.

    Finally, the controversial split instrument panel drew predictably divergent reviews. Some like it and say that the steering wheel would block anything between the two displays anyway, and others say it's too distracting having two displays in two different planes. Either way, the addition of a VTEC power meter (available in two different I.P. locations) seems like a "jump-the-shark" moment to us — as if to say, "Hey guys, you might not be able to feel the cam come on, but we can show you when it does with this neat-o bar graph."

    On the other hand, that new LCD multi-information display is a good addition. It cycles through various screens for audio, trip, maintenance, fuel economy, and when equipped with navigation, also provides turn-by-turn instructions. It's crisp, well shaded and very useful, especially since many of the functions can be controlled with the steering wheel's backlit buttons.

    Conclusion
    When the last overhaul occurred for the 2006 model year, the Civic Si initially won its debut comparison test against a VW GTI. Only eight months later, it promptly fell to 3rd place behind a Subaru WRX TR and a Mazdaspeed 3.

    Today, the turbocharged 263-hp Mazdaspeed 3 is still kicking ass and taking names, while the rear-wheel-drive Hyundai Genesis Coupe (turbo-4 or V6) has appeared on scene, and the Mini Cooper and Scion tC soldier on with fans of their own. Even the highly anticipated Ford Focus shows promise if SVT can get involved. All those cars are priced at or below the 2012 Honda Civic Si. But most recently and perhaps most significantly, the 2012 Ford Mustang V6 impressed the hell out of us at the racetrack with its 305-hp engine.

    You can buy a 2012 Mustang V6 for $22,995 (before incentives and/or discounts), or this 2012 Honda Civic Si (with summer tires) at $23,155 — a mere $160 difference. We know they might seem like cars for two completely different drivers, but the performance-coupe bang-for-your-buck case in favor of the Mustang cannot be denied.

    For 2012, it appears all the improvements bestowed upon the high-performance Civic Si were to drivability, functionality and fuel economy (sort of), and not one of them did a thing to enhance performance where it counts. The reason for the Civic Si's existence is to carve out a place in the sport compact world. Yet the 2012 Honda Civic Si shows no measurable performance gains over its 6-year-old predecessor. And given that this is the performance-focused trim level, it's hard to make a case for this being a change that matters.

    In our book that means Honda isn't trying. And it's hard to love a Civic Si that Honda itself seemingly ignores.

    The manufacturer provided Edmunds this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.

    Price and Build Your Own 2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe at Edmunds.com

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    dhectorg says:

    07:39 AM, 08/12/2011

    As someone who owned a 2007 Si sedan for 3 years, I have to say I love the car. It handles well and has decent acceleration. That said, it's definitely not quick enough to compete with some other performance compacts out there. The 2.0 was a fantastic motor and so it the 2.4, but Honda needs to bite the bullet and add a turbo to the Si. That';s the only way to make it completely relevant and competitive in this segment. I know their game...why would anyone step up to an Acura TSX if they could get the same power-train on an Si? It's a fair question, but an increasingly competitive segment might call for more out of the box thinking. That's my 2 cents.

    toofast11 says:

    03:55 PM, 08/11/2011

    i have a 2011 and the rear never gets light on high speed i think because front sway is only 18 verses 2011 28mm

    noclist says:

    11:33 AM, 06/19/2011

    I wish they had kept the 100 hp/1 liter ratio.  240 HP would have been a nice upgrade.  I'm hearing the seats in the new 9th gen are not as comfortable or supportive as the previous gen.  Inside materials are reported to be cheaper as well.  

    toofast11 says:

    05:24 PM, 06/07/2011

    how is the 2012civic si bettter handler when front sway bar isonly 18mm

    drive571 says:

    04:02 AM, 05/31/2011

    The biggest criticism that Honda has endured regarding previous Civics is the amount of NVH, particularly road noise. By all accounts, the ninth-gen Civic is among the quietest cars in the class.

    On the other hand, the greatest praise that the eigth-gen Si received was the sportbike wail of the engine at high revs--this was certainly my experience, as the chassis and control feel weren't really that much better than the standard car.

    It seems like Honda designed the ninth-gen Civic to address the criticisms of the eighth-gen car with little thought to the strengths of the eighth-gen Si. It says something about today's Honda as a company when the Si model is the afterthought instead of the technological spearhead of the lineup.

    90in55 says:

    10:01 PM, 05/22/2011

    In my view, the 8th generation looks more contemporary than this new version.  There isn't a single angle from where the 9th gen. doesn't look awkward.  I too would be scrambling to find a 2011 to hold me over for a few years.  The tail lights look especially dowdy on the sedan, and the interior quality in the cabin has deteriorated.

    I'm surprised that comments are stil trickling into this entry after several days.  Usually the threads die out in 24 hours or less.  It's a testament to the popularity of this car, though the disappointment of enthusiasts should be a wake-up call.  Honda will still probably sell tons of these, but they really are coasting on the reputation they've built.  The company is ripe for a takedown.

    mindspin311 says:

    12:11 PM, 05/22/2011

    I've noticed a lot of shiny new 2011 Si's on the road here in NCal, wonder if it has anything to do with this one being lame. Right now I'd go buy a 2011 sedan for sure. I had a 2006 coupe and LOVED that engine, but hated the blind spots caused by the A and C pillars. Plus the E-throttle programming totally SUCKED. I want to be able to feel the VTEC kick in hard at 6000rpm and rocket to 8000rpm like it's supposed to. I'm sure the extra torque is awesome, am I'm sure it still revs really nice, it's a Honda K-series engine afterall, but if I buy a Honda I want a REALLY revvy engine.

    Anyway, I HAVE THE SOLUTION to our dilemma with the 2012 Civic Si. Honda is almost making the same mistake with this car that Subaru made with the 2008 WRX. I propose they use the same solution that Subaru did. Make a softer car and an enthusiast one (eg, Impreza GT and WRX). Take this Si and give it the same automatic transmission option that the TSX has, afterall it's the same engine, and then you have a car that will sell in MUCH higher volume to those who want a Civic, want more performance than the wimpy 1.8, but don't want to drive manual. THEN, release a version of the JDM Civic Type-R as the enthusiast model, as hardcore as they get it in Japan, plus a few more luxuries that the NA market needs like a/c and the nice navi radio.

    BAM, there you go Honda!

    scherp_kingq7 says:

    09:01 PM, 05/20/2011

    Plus, it's ugly as sin! The top and lower grill are not symetrical (and that bugs the HELL out of me because of my OCD), and the cheap plastic in the A-pillar in place of the old model's nifty corner window is a step backward, as are having incandescent bulbs when all the other guys have HID's and/or LED's on their sport trims.

    HONDA IS A JOKE AND CAN ROT IN HELL!

    jnathus says:

    12:29 PM, 05/20/2011

    @gotak

    "I am not sure why for wiki it more power has to be meaningful. Isn't that more marketing BS? Like "Acura Advance" (advance what? global warming?) or "Honda The Power of Dreams" (I guess magic pixie dust powers their cars)? "

    Dude, somebody says 'one line' and you fire back with 3 short paragraphs?

    I admit the recall on thew new Civics does give me a bit of pause, but then again, the Chevy Cruise had a recall for the freakin' steering while falling off, and the MazdaSpeed 3 has had a recall for an engine / transmission mount breaking very early in the lifecyle of the vehicle...   Everything gets recalls, and Honda said they haven't actually had any fires, just that such a thing MIGHT occur.  I'm not giving them a pass, but neither should you give your favorite car company a pass.  

    Also, to hear you talk, it looks like you're happy to have Civic Si's on the road so you can beat them...   in your wagon. :P  So, we're glad to be of service to you and your zoom zoom.

    gotak says:

    11:31 AM, 05/20/2011

    nachiman says:
    "11:52 AM, 05/19/2011
    @gotak-

    If only those marketing companies weren't so damn smart, lol."

    Yeah they really twisted my arm on spending more on fuel so i can boot it past people in 8th gen and 9th gen Civic Si on the on ramp. Man if it wasn't for these marketing folks I would be driving a slower car that as it turns out can leave a trail of fire on the asphalt just like the Delorean in back to the future!.

    I am not sure why for wiki it more power has to be meaningful. Isn't that more marketing BS? Like "Acura Advance" (advance what? global warming?) or "Honda The Power of Dreams" (I guess magic pixie dust powers their cars)?

    I don't think anyone needs the help of marketing folks to figure out if they enjoy that shove in the back a powerful car gives you. If you are looking for meaning in horsepower and ft-lb numbers you might want to talk to these folks: http://www.familyradio.com/

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    Speed Read

    Vehicle Tested:

    2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe

    Base Price:

    $22,995

    Price as Tested:

    $23,155

    Engine:

    2.4-liter inline-4

    Gearbox:

    Six-speed manual

    Power:

    201 hp @ 7,000 rpm

    0-60 mph:

    6.9 seconds

    Fuel Mileage:

    22 city/31 highway/25 combined mpg

    What Works:

    Good engine, good transmission, good ride.

    What Needs Work:

    Honda's definition of high performance.

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    Specs & Performance

    Vehicle
    Year Make Model2012 Honda Civic Si 2dr Coupe with summer tires (2.4L 4cyl 6M)
    Vehicle TypeFWD 2dr 5-passenger Coupe
    Base MSRP$22,995
    Options on test vehicleSunburst Orange Pearl
    As-tested MSRP$23,155
    Assembly locationAlliston, Ontario, Canada
    North American parts content (%)65
    Drivetrain
    ConfigurationTransverse, front-engine, front-wheel drive
    Engine typeNaturally aspirated, port-injected inline-4, gasoline
    Displacement (cc/cu-in)2,354/144
    Block/head materialAluminum/aluminum
    ValvetrainDOHC, four valves per cylinder, variable intake-valve timing and lift
    Compression ratio (x:1)11.0
    Redline, indicated (rpm)7,100
    Fuel cutoff/rev limiter (rpm)7,200
    Horsepower (hp @ rpm)201 @ 7,000
    Torque (lb-ft @ rpm)170 @ 4,400
    Fuel typePremium unleaded (required)
    Transmission typeSix-speed manual
    Transmission ratios (x:1)1st = 3.267; 2nd = 2.040; 3rd = 1.429; 4th = 1.073; 5th = 0.830; 6th = 0.647
    Final-drive ratio (x:1)4.760
    Differential(s)Helical limited-slip
    Chassis
    Suspension, frontIndependent MacPherson struts, coil springs, stabilizer bar
    Suspension, rearIndependent multilink, coil springs, stabilizer bar
    Steering typeElectric-assist, speed-proportional rack-and-pinion power steering
    Steering ratio (x:1)16.08
    Turning circle (ft.)35.4
    Tire make and modelMichelin Pilot Exalto PE2
    Tire typeAsymmetrical summer, performance (32 psi cold front; 32 psi cold rear)
    Tire size215/45R17 91W
    Wheel size17-by-7 inches front and rear
    Wheel materialAluminum alloy
    Brakes, front11.8-inch one-piece ventilated cast-iron discs with single-piston sliding calipers
    Brakes, rear10.2-inch one-piece solid cast-iron discs with single-piston sliding calipers
    Track Test Results
    Acceleration, 0-30 mph (sec.)2.6
    0-45 mph (sec.)4.6
    0-60 mph (sec.)6.9
    0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.)6.6
    0-75 mph (sec.)10.1
    1/4-mile (sec. @ mph)15.1 @ 93.1
    0-30 mph, trac ON (sec.)2.9
    0-45 mph, trac ON (sec.)4.8
    0-60 mph, trac ON (sec.)7.2
    0-60, trac ON with 1 foot of rollout (sec.)6.9
    0-75 mph, trac ON (sec.)10.2
    1/4-mile, trac ON (sec. @ mph)15.3 @ 93.1
    Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.)29
    60-0 mph (ft.)120
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph)67.3
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) ESC ON62.8
    Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g)0.86
    Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) ESC ON0.84
    Sound level @ idle (dB)43.1
    @ Full throttle (dB)80.4
    @ 70 mph cruise (dB)67.4
    Engine speed @ 70 mph (rpm)3,000
    Test Driver Ratings & Comments
    Acceleration commentsPower delivery is far more linear than previous 2.0-liter Si engine, but i-VTEC is still evident -- more audible than palpable, though. With trac off, it's tricky to launch with just-right wheelspin, but it can be done and subtracts about a half-second from time. It's difficult to hang revs at a desired rpm because the throttle is so sensitive and revs climb and drop with a millimeter of throttle travel. Shifter is still very good, but feels ike it has a longer throw than previous Sis.
    Braking commentsSome initial pedal travel, then very firm thereafter. Not much initial bite. Zero ABS buzz, little tire squeal, but rear end gets light and wiggles side-to-side.
    Handling commentsSkid pad: With ESC off, gently understeers all the way around the circle. "Steering" with the throttle doesn't work -- no rotation possible. With ESC on, the system grabs a brake and keeps it just inside understeer. Steering weight is good -- not too heavy or light or electric-feeling. Slalom: With ESC off, the car is sensitive to entry speed and likes to rotate off-throttle. Best run was entry at just barely sub-limit, then barely adjust throttle for a tiny bit of rotation at each cone, then MASH the throttle at exit and use the LSD. It's a delicate technique, and there's probably 1 mph left (I had one 69-mph pass, but nicked a cone, damnit), but this would be a "perfect" run. With ESC on, the slightest bit of tire howl or sliding is severly punished. And slow.
    Testing Conditions
    Test date5/3/2011
    Test locationCalifornia Speedway
    Elevation (ft.)1,121
    Temperature (°F)77.1
    Relative humidity (%)13.3
    Barometric pressure (in. Hg)28.9
    Wind (mph, direction)1.0 tailwind
    Odometer (mi.)832
    Fuel used for test91-octane gasoline
    As-tested tire pressures, f/r (psi)32/32
    Fuel Consumption
    EPA fuel economy (mpg)22 city/31 highway/25 combined
    Edmunds observed (mpg)21 worst/28 best/25 average (over 662 miles)
    Fuel tank capacity (U.S. gal.)13.2
    Driving range (mi.)409.2
    Audio and Advanced Technology
    Stereo description300-watt, AM/FM/CD with 7 speakers, AAC/MP3/WMA playback, aux jack, USB port
    iPod/digital media compatibilityStandard iPod via USB jack, USB stick, aux jack
    Satellite radioOptional XM
    Hard-drive music storage capacity (Gb)Not available
    Rear seat video and entertainmentNot available
    Bluetooth phone connectivityStandard (phone and audio streaming)
    Navigation systemOptional 16GB flash memory with FM traffic, 6.5-inch high-definition VGA display screen
    Telematics (OnStar, etc.)Not available
    Smart entry/StartNot available
    Parking aidsNot available
    Blind-spot detectionNot available
    Adaptive cruise controlNot available
    Lane-departure monitoringNot available
    Collision warning/avoidanceNot available
    Night VisionNot available
    Driver coaching displayStandard
    Dimensions & Capacities
    Curb weight, mfr. claim (lbs.)2,877
    Curb weight, as tested (lbs.)2,845
    Weight distribution, as tested, f/r (%)62/38
    Length (in.)176.1
    Width (in.)69.0
    Height (in.)55.0
    Wheelbase (in.)103.1
    Track, front (in.)59.0
    Track, rear (in.)59.9
    Legroom, front (in.)42.2
    Legroom, rear (in.)30.8
    Headroom, front (in.)37.7
    Headroom, rear (in.)34.3
    Shoulder room, front (in.)55.1
    Shoulder room, rear (in.)52.2
    Seating capacity5
    Trunk volume (cu-ft)11.7
    Max cargo volume behind 1st row (cu-ft)Standard 60/40 split-fold rear seats (no volume given)
    Warranty
    Bumper-to-bumper3 years/36,000 miles
    Powertrain5 years/60,000 miles
    Corrosion5 years/Unlimited miles
    Roadside assistanceNot available
    Free scheduled maintenanceNot available
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