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Comparison Test: 1984 Ferrari 308 GTSi vs. 2007 Kia Sedona EX

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Comparison Test: 1984 Ferrari 308 GTSi vs. 2007 Kia Sedona EX

Who's got it better, Magnum or Mom?

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    Comparing a minivan to a Ferrari is surely absurd to some. Who cares? Those people never got girls in high school. Their idea of kooky, crazy fun is a red Prius. Tell them to have another soy milk latte and stick to reading www.lactoseintolerant.org, the Web site for the lactose-intolerant.

    There's a real question to be answered here: How far has the automobile progressed in 23 years? Can a new minivan outrun a two-decade-old supercar?

    Sure it's stupid, but that's the point.

    Dollars and Sense
    To get the show on the road we called Kia and borrowed this Sedona. We chose the Kia because it was the quickest accelerating of the group in our 2006 Minivan Comparison Test. It also had the fastest slalom speed, produced the third best lateral acceleration and was the least expensive. So, as minivans go, it's an outright performance bargain.

    Now we needed an outdated, crusty old exotic. Enter our long-term 1984 Ferrari 308 GTSi. Magnum, P.I.'s car. The car entire movies were made for. The car that delivered a naked Christie Brinkley to Clark W. Griswold, for crying out loud. It's got a shrieking, midmounted Italian V8 powered by pure testosterone. It's got a body by Pininfarina. It's Rosso Corsa red. And most importantly, it's nothing like a minivan.

    But it does cost the same as one.

    This Kia Sedona costs $31,995. Opt out of the $2,400 Luxury Package and $1,700 Premium Entertainment Package, however, and its price dips below the $28,000 we paid for the Ferrari. And you still get to keep the $1,000 Power Package that gives you power-sliding doors and a power liftgate.

    Respecting Physics
    Dimensionally, there aren't two more different automobiles. With a wheelbase more than 2 feet longer than the Ferrari's (118.9 inches vs. 92.1), the Sedona is, quite simply, large. It's about 3 feet longer, 2 feet taller and 10 inches wider than the Ferrari. Then there's the matter of its additional 1,500 pounds of curb weight (4,686 pounds vs. 3,186).

    Ironically, their engines make similar power (or at least they did when the Ferrari was new). The Sedona's 3.8-liter V6 is rated at 250 horsepower and 253 pound-feet of torque. The Ferrari's 3.0-liter (actually 2.9) V8 is rated at 230 hp and 188 lb-ft of torque. Our Ferrari is a Quattrovalvole GTSi model, which means it's got the four-valve engine and uses Bosch fuel injection. It's hardly new. In fact, during this test, it ticked over 49,000 miles.

    Kia gave the Sedona a five-speed automatic transmission with manual shift abilities. It puts power down through the front wheels. The Ferrari's five-speed manual transaxle has a ZF limited-slip differential and delivers power to the rear wheels.

    And the minivan wears the larger rubber. Its Michelins measure 235/60R17. The Ferrari wears Goodyears. Why? Because Mr. Ferrari wanted it that way. But they're an inch smaller in diameter than the Kia's tires, and quite a bit narrower (205/55ZR16 front and 225/50ZR16 rear).

    Performance
    As we headed for the track, staff predictions leaned in favor of the Sedona. Many who had driven the Ferrari were convinced the Kia was going to walk away with the acceleration tests. Some even extended the van's dominance to the braking tests where, they claimed, its modern ABS would laugh in the face of the Ferrari's dated, non-ABS equipped stoppers.

    In reality, the Ferrari kicked the minivan's ass in every test. Twenty-three years is a long time and, yes, the van benefits supremely from modern advances, but it still ain't no Ferrari on the track. In 1984, this 308 really must have been something.

    The biggest ass-kickin' came in the handling tests, where the Ferrari proved its pedigree by slithering through the slalom at 68.6 mph, almost 1 mph faster than the 2008 Subaru WRX and far better than any minivan we've ever tested. The story was similar around the skid pad, where the Ferrari's modern Goodyear Eagle F1 tires yanked it around at 0.91g. The Sedona squealed its way to 0.72g.

    In a straight line it wasn't much closer. Seriously, did you ever see Magnum get outrun by a soccer mom? The Ferrari hit 60 mph in only 7.3 seconds — a number we likely could have improved if we were more willing to abuse its aging clutch. The Sedona managed the same milestone in 9.0 seconds. By the end of the quarter-mile, the gap was 1.3 seconds, with the Ferrari breaking the traps in 15.4 seconds at 92.1 mph and the Sedona finishing in 16.7 seconds at 84.6 mph.

    Even the braking contest, where ABS is invaluable, fell in the Ferrari's favor. A solid, easily modulated pedal allowed the Ferrari to stop from 60 mph in just 123 feet, 5 feet shorter than the Sedona.

    In other words, our Ferrari goes and stops as well as a V6 Toyota RAV4, which means the car has come damn far in the last 23 years. Just not quite as far as we had thought. A 2008 Ferrari F430 would, of course, run circles around our 308.

    Living
    With our theory validated, or invalidated, depending on your degree of cynicism, we took this ridiculous exercise a step further. That's right. We made it a full-blown comparison test with scoring and everything.

    Don't laugh. After driving both cars for a week it became clear that the Kia had a real shot. It's by far the easier of the two to live with every day. Take the four cupholders within reach of the driver, for example. Between them they've got more liquid capacity than the Ferrari's entire cooling system. And they're better at keeping things cool, too. The 308 has exactly zero cupholders, by the way. It also has zero airbags (the Sedona has six), zero power steering and practically zero air-conditioning.

    Then there's the cargo capacity issue. The Ferrari has zero. Well, not exactly zero. Between its trunk and a bit of space behind the seats, the 308 has the cargo room of a large Gucci diaper bag. And it's even less practical. Don't put anything in the trunk you don't want cooked. We actually baked some Betty Crocker cookies back there during our track test. This isn't a problem in the Sedona. We packed lots of Girl Scout Cookies in our long-term Sedona earlier this year. They didn't even get warm.

    Then there's the expected wear that comes with any 23-year-old car. The Ferrari's ventilation controls are worn and awkward and the ignition and door lock cylinders are sticky and require patience. And good luck getting in or out without some sort of yoga training.

    On the Road
    With a surprisingly comfortable ride, the 308 is actually a joy on a long drive, provided it's not more than 80 degrees outside. But it has its moments of glory. Find yourself on a winding road on a cool evening and even the 308's dead-on-center steering has some redeeming value. It's easy to get lost in the Italian's burble-come-shriek exhaust note while rowing through the gears in the right conditions.

    The only way the Sedona could offer this much manly satisfaction is if it were loaded with five naked members of the Hawaiian Tropic bikini team and driven over a series of speed bumps. Repeatedly.

    But the Sedona's road manners are respectable. An impromptu mountain road face-off against the 308 proved it a worthy contender — for a few minutes. Shifting its automatic transmission manually allows better control than in most minivans and it's admirably quick. It held its own until the flames coming off its front brake calipers forced us to surrender to the slippery Italian.

    Fuel mileage was a contest won by the boxy Sedona, although its 16.7 mpg average isn't exactly going to impress the Sierra Club. The Ferrari averaged 14.9 mpg during the week, but it would crack 16 mpg on the highway.

    The End of This Ridiculous Story
    In the end, it comes down to the modern convenience and usability of the Sedona versus the passionate pull of the Ferrari.

    It's the choice every man faces come midlife crisis. The family is getting bigger, the old sedan just won't cut it anymore and the need for a minivan looms large on the horizon. Enter the hulking, stigma-ridden reality of the 2007 Kia Sedona. The price is right, the warranty is incredible and it's got good reviews.

    But with the rational need for more space, stain-resistant surfaces and self-closing doors comes the undeniable urge for something svelte, red, mid-engined and...Italian.

    We've already bought our Ferrari. Which would you choose?

    Kia provided Edmunds the Sedona for the purposes of evaluation. We own the Ferrari.

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    Specs & Performance

    Vehicle
    MakeFerrari
    Model308
    Model year1984
    StyleQuattrovalvole GTSi
    Base MSRP$28,000
    As-tested MSRP$28,000
    Drive typeRear-wheel drive
    Transmission type5-speed manual
    Engine typeV8
    Displacement (cc/cu-in)2900cc (177cu-in)
    Horsepower (hp @ rpm)230 @ 6,800
    Torque (lb-ft @ rpm)188 @ 5,500
    Brakes, front4-wheel disc
    Brakes, rear4-wheel disc
    Steering typeRack and pinion
    Suspension, frontDouble wishbone with stabilizer bar
    Suspension, rearDouble wishbone with stabilizer bar
    Tire size, front205/55R16
    Tire size, rear225/50R16
    Tire brandGoodyear
    Tire modelEagle F1
    Curb weight, mfr. claim (lbs.)3,186
    Fuel typePremium unleaded
    Fuel tank capacity (gal)18.5
    EPA fuel economy (mpg)N/A City N/A Highway
    Edmunds observed (mpg)14.9
    Conditions for Testing
    Temperature (°F)91.3
    Elevation (ft.)420
    Wind (mph, direction)1.7
    Performance
    0 - 30 (sec.)2.6
    0 - 45 (sec.)4.8
    0 - 60 (sec.)7.3
    0 - 75 (sec.)10.3
    1/4 mile (sec. @ mph)15.4 @ 92.1
    30 - 0 (ft.)30
    60 - 0 (ft.)123
    Braking ratingGood
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft (mph)68.6
    Skid pad, 200 ft diameter (lateral g)0.91
    Handling ratingGood
    Sound level @ idle (db)Loud
    Sound level @ full throttle (db)Loudest
    Sound level @ 70 mph cruise (db)Louder
    Acceleration commentsThe 308 is very difficult to launch without bogging the engine or smoking the clutch. Once moving, the engine feels very strong above 5,500 rpm.
    Braking commentsThere's a hard pull to the right under heavy braking that doesn't correspond to any other handling maladies. Even so, the brake pedal feels solid and is very easy to modulate without ABS. Stopping performance is impressive.
    Handling commentsThere's lots of body roll around the skid pad but plenty of grip. Balance is toward understeer but the 308 is responsive to throttle input at the limit and can be balanced on the edge of grip easily. Being narrow helps it in the slalom despite vague on-center steering feel. Surprisingly fun and confident.
    Specifications
    Length (in.)266.5
    Width (in.)67.7
    Height (in.)44
    Wheelbase (in.)92.1
    Legroom, front (in.)Adequate
    Legroom, rear (in.)N/A
    Headroom, front (in.)Low
    Headroom, rear (in.)N/A
    Seating capacity2
    Cargo volume (cu-ft)5.3
    Max. cargo volume, seats folded (cu-ft)5.3
    Warranty Information
    Bumper-to-bumperCovered by checkbook
    PowertrainCovered by trust fund
    CorrosionHey, it's Italian; it won't rust.
    Roadside assistanceGuido's Towing by cell phone
    Scheduled maintenanceAdd oil every 1,000 miles
    Safety Information
    Front airbagsNot available
    Side airbagsNot available
    Head airbagsNot available
    Antilock brakesNot available
    Electronic brake enhancementsNone
    Traction controlNot available
    Stability controlNot available
    Rollover protectionNot available
    Emergency assistance systemNot available
    NHTSA crash test, driverNot tested
    NHTSA crash test, passengerNot tested
    NHTSA crash test, side frontNot tested
    NHTSA crash test, side rearNot tested
    NHTSA rollover resistanceNot tested
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    Specs & Performance

    Vehicle
    MakeKia
    ModelSedona
    Model year2007
    StyleEX 4dr Ext Minivan (3.8L 6cyl 5A)
    Base MSRP$26,895
    As-tested MSRP$31,995
    Drive typeFront-wheel drive
    Transmission type5-speed automatic
    Engine typeV6
    Displacement (cc/cu-in)3800cc (232cu-in)
    Horsepower (hp @ rpm)250 @ 6,000
    Torque (lb-ft @ rpm)253 @ 3,500
    Brakes, frontVentilated disc
    Brakes, rearVentilated disc
    Steering typePower steering
    Suspension, frontMacPherson strut
    Suspension, rearMultilink
    Tire size, frontP235/60R17
    Tire size, rearP235/60R17
    Tire brandMichelin
    Tire modelAll-season
    Curb weight, mfr. claim (lbs.)4387
    Fuel typeRegular unleaded
    Fuel tank capacity (gal)21.1
    EPA fuel economy (mpg)18 city/25 highway
    Edmunds observed (mpg)16.7
    Conditions for Testing
    Temperature (°F)88.4
    Elevation (ft.)421
    Wind (mph, direction)1.7
    Performance
    0 - 30 (sec.)3.1
    0 - 45 (sec.)5.9
    0 - 60 (sec.)9
    0 - 75 (sec.)13.4
    1/4 mile (sec. @ mph)16.7 @ 84.6
    30 - 0 (ft.)32
    60 - 0 (ft.)128
    Braking ratingGood
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft (mph)60.4
    Skid pad, 200 ft diameter (lateral g)0.72
    Handling ratingAverage
    Sound level @ idle (db)NA
    Sound level @ full throttle (db)NA
    Sound level @ 70 mph cruise (db)NA
    Acceleration commentsThere's nothing special about the Sedona's acceleration. It's good for a minivan but isn't going to break any records getting up to speed. Our best times were recorded in "Drive" with minimal brake torque at launch.
    Braking commentsOne-hundred twenty-eight feet is quite good for a single stop in a minivan. Pedal feel is adequate, without much slop.
    Handling commentsTall and soft, the Sedona still manages to hang on pretty well when being tossed around. We were impressed with its overall manners, which are better than average when compared to other minivans.
    Specifications
    Length (in.)202
    Width (in.)78.1
    Height (in.)69.3
    Wheelbase (in.)118.9
    Legroom, front (in.)41.7
    Legroom, rear (in.)40.9
    Headroom, front (in.)40.9
    Headroom, rear (in.)39.8
    Seating capacity7
    Cargo volume (cu-ft)32.2
    Max. cargo volume, seats folded (cu-ft)141.5
    Warranty Information
    Bumper-to-bumper5 years/60,000 miles
    Powertrain10 years/100,000 miles
    Corrosion5 years/100,000 miles
    Roadside assistance5 years/60,000 miles
    Scheduled maintenanceNot available
    Safety Information
    Front airbagsStandard
    Side airbagsStandard dual front
    Head airbagsStandard front, rear and third row
    Antilock brakes4-wheel ABS
    Electronic brake enhancementsBrake assist, electronic brakeforce distribution
    Traction controlStandard
    Stability controlStandard
    Rollover protectionN/A
    Emergency assistance systemNot available
    NHTSA crash test, driver5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, passenger5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, side front5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, side rear5 stars
    NHTSA rollover resistance4 stars
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