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    The BMW 3 Series has been the sport sedan of record for as long as we can remember. In this 2010 Audi S4 vs. 2009 BMW 335i Comparison Test Video, has the Audi S4 finally bumped it off? | October 16, 2009

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Comparison Test: 2010 Audi S4 vs. 2009 BMW 335i

Two Compelling Reasons To Spend $50K on a Sport Sedan

    15 Ratings

    Given all the praise heaped on the BMW 3 Series over the years, we can't blame you for thinking there's more to the story. We've heard all the conspiracy theories, most of them involving checks in large denominations from Munich.

    This might seem believable to a certain segment of the population, but there's a far less interesting truth behind all those wins: The BMW was the best car. Sure, certain rivals often upped their game in one area or another, but the 3 Series always put it all together in a way that made it better.

    So now the 2010 Audi S4 is here to take another shot. It's all-new this year and the old V8 is gone. There's now a supercharged V6 in its place, along with a lower price designed to better align the S4 with the BMW 335i.

    The BMW 3 Series received a face-lift of its own last year. It was mostly minor trim changes and the like, but we're told that iDrive thing was tweaked again, too (oh, lovely).

    Sounds like a fair fight, no?

    Hope You Got a Bonus This Year
    Probably best to get the cost issue out of the way up front. These are not the entry-level sport sedans their names might suggest. The BMW 3 Series may start just below $34,000 on the low end, but once you add the 300-horsepower twin-turbo 3.0-liter engine — and you do want to do that — the base price jumps to $40K.

    That doesn't include much in the way of features, either, so our 2009 BMW 335i test car includes extras like a Sport package and a Premium package and a Cold Weather package and various other options. Final sticker price: $49,320.

    And if that number sounds steep, then consider that the 2010 Audi S4 is just getting started at nearly $46,000. Of course, Audi likes to point out that the S4's base price includes a long list of standard features, and it does, but our test car also had a Toyota Yaris worth ($12,425) of additional features, which pushes the grand total to over $59K.

    All this makes for a considerable price difference between the two cars, but on paper they actually match up quite well. Both use 3.0-liter engines with forced induction and both get standard six-speed manual gearboxes. The Audi also adds all-wheel drive, of course. There's an all-wheel-drive version of the 335i, too, but you can't combine it with a sport suspension, so the standard rear-wheel-drive version is a better choice for performance.

    And Now for Some More Interesting Numbers
    At those prices these sedans better do something special, and they don't disappoint. Say, for instance, you like to go very fast in a straight line. These sedans do that quite well. We know; we tested them.

    The BMW is the slower of the two, yet it still turns in a 0-60-mph time of 5.3 seconds (4.9 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and runs through the quarter-mile in 13.5 seconds at 103.8 mph. That's what 300 hp and 300 pound-feet of torque in a 3,607-pound sedan will do for you.

    The Audi is saddled with an extra 377 pounds, so it helps that its new supercharged V6 produces a healthy 333 hp and 325 lb-ft of torque. This is enough to deliver a 0-60-mph time of 4.9 seconds (4.6 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and a 13.2-second quarter-mile at 106.1 mph.

    How impressive are these numbers? Consider that the quickest of the new American muscle coupes, the 426-hp Chevrolet Camaro SS, turns about the same numbers down the drag strip as the Audi.

    Fast in a Nice Way
    You don't spend $50K on a European sport sedan to embarrass Chevys at stoplights, though. OK, maybe you secretly dream about doing just that, but for the other 99 percent of the time you want an ultra-refined, indestructible engine that makes all the right sounds.

    We've noted in the past that BMW's twin-turbo inline-6 is just such an engine. Surprisingly strong at low rpm and dead solid all the way to its redline of 7,000 rpm, BMW's force-fed straight-6 has no real faults. Or at least, it feels that way until you drive the S4.

    The Audi V6 is also staggeringly refined and full of torque, yet it delivers its burst of power even quicker than the BMW. It jumps off idle thanks to its fast-acting supercharger and doesn't fall flat once all the boost is dialed in. Instead, it charges all the way to its own redline of 7,000 rpm on a big flat mountain of torque. There's no buzzing or coarseness along the way, either. It feels like the BMW engine, only with an aftermarket chip already installed.

    Couple the nearly flawless engine with the S4's nicely weighted clutch and finger-light shift action and the Audi couldn't feel more perfect running through the gears. OK, a deeper and less raspy exhaust note would be nice, but we're nitpicking.

    Getting a Handle on All That Power
    Since any old Camaro can go fast in a straight line, we tested both sedans through the slalom and around the skid pad, too.

    The results are a bit closer, as both cars register 0.92g around our big circle. They do so in different ways, however. The S4 goes faster with the stability control left on, while the 3 Series makes its best run with it off. Seems as though the S4's computer is able to do a better job of moving the torque around than our test-driver. (He didn't take it too hard, though.)

    The S4's big advantage here is its torque-proportioning rear differential. It's able to send power to the outside wheel to help get the car turned and eliminate understeer. It works well through the slalom cones, too, as the S4 is slightly faster with a 68.8-mph run compared to the BMW's 68.4-mph sprint.

    Our test-driver eventually managed to finesse both cars through the cones with no help from electronic aids. He found the Audi surprisingly willing to bring its back end around thanks to the sport differential, yet it is easily controllable. The BMW has no such help, but is more predictable and stable and only fractionally slower.

    Confidence Builders
    On the street, it's a slightly different story. Both cars have high limits thanks to the sticky rubber included in their respective sport packages: Bridgestone RE050As on the BMW and Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GTs for the Audi.

    You can then throw it around as hard and fast as you want, yet it never gets out of shape.

    Getting the most out of such tires takes a more skilled hand in the BMW. It's still a lenient partner for the most part, with precise steering and predictable handling. But as you get closer to the limit it feels more on edge than the sure-footed Audi.

    The S4's all-wheel-drive system is the difference here. You simply feel more confident when you know that an ill-advised stab of the throttle won't send the rear end sideways. The sport differential makes such a sideways cornering attitude possible if you have the skills, but to the average driver it simply feels like the car is tracking better and more planted.

    Audi's Drive Select adjustable dampers help here, and Dynamic mode dials out what little softness is left. You can then throw it around as hard and fast as you want, yet it never gets out of shape. The BMW isn't too far behind, but push it too hard and even the sport suspension starts to feel just a little soft.

    They Go Slow Well, Too
    Keep in mind that so far we've been talking about only the most aggressive driving here. Go easy and these cars are still immensely rewarding to drive. Even with their big wheels and tires and sport suspensions, both cars ride comfortably and cruise quietly.

    We still prefer the more natural feel of the BMW's steering to the S4's responsive but slightly over-boosted setup. Both have incredibly powerful brakes. The Audi stops from 60 mph in just 109 feet, while the BMW only requires two additional feet. Pedal feel is light and precise on both cars.

    Gadgets Galore
    For your sizable chunk of cash, you would probably expect a healthy dose of luxury with your sport sedan. Both these sedans deliver, but the Audi's extra cost gives it an advantage. Included in its pricey Prestige package are extras like a Bang & Olufsen audio system, keyless ignition, voice-activated audio and telephone controls and a navigation system with video game-style graphics.

    All this comes in addition to the S4's standard features like sport seats, a sunroof, xenon headlights, heated power seats, Bluetooth connectivity and an iPod hookup. In other words, at $60K there's nothing left to add to this car.

    It all sounds overwhelming, but once you're behind the wheel the S4's layout doesn't look complicated. All the electronic gadgets are easily accessed through the MMI controller and none of the protocols take much time to figure out. Like the fancy suspension, though, you probably wouldn't miss much if you left most of it out.

    The BMW didn't have a navigation system or a high-end audio system and it still looked expensive inside — solid construction, quality materials and a simple layout. Both sedans have that typical German austerity that's traditional but hardly warm. Neither car has much of an advantage over the other in terms of front seat comfort, but the Audi's more spacious backseat makes it reasonably comfortable for four adults.

    S4 for the Win
    So the 2010 Audi S4 finished well ahead of the 2009 BMW 335i this time around. Have our biases changed? Did we want to shake things up? Are we partial to canary yellow cars? Not a chance.

    Like every comparison test before it, this one comes down to which car puts it all together in the most compelling package. We drove the cars in every imaginable situation, and every time someone got out of the Audi he was struggling to find a flaw. It was much the same way with the 335i, but driven back to back, the Audi feels a step ahead.

    Slightly faster, easier to push hard and more comfortable on the inside, the 2010 Audi S4 is as good as it gets when it comes to sport sedans in this price range. It's a lofty range, but if you're going to spend that kind of money, you might as well get what you pay for.

    The manufacturers provided Edmunds these vehicles for the purposes of evaluation.

    Comparison

    Second Opinion

    Detroit Senior Editor Daniel Pund says:
    I am overjoyed to have taken part in this comparison test. Partly because it meant when I was visiting the home office in California, I was too busy driving these sport sedans to drive the long-term Smart. Them's the breaks.

    Further, I am delighted that the BMW 3 Series did not win, despite the fact that it is utterly fabulous. Understand, I have nothing against the 3 Series — particularly one with that stompin' twin-turbo six-cylinder. I'm just tired of seeing the thing win.

    Audi pitches its S4 directly at the 335i, knowing full well that going against the V8-powered M3 would result in possibly terminal humiliation. And, indeed, the S4 hits all the right car-enthusiast buttons. It's the quicker (albeit slightly) and more powerful of the two cars. It's a damn barrel of monkeys. The active rear differential really works and that supercharged motor is a sweetheart.

    Wait...what? This thing is $10K more than the BMW? Yipes! Looks like Audi has learned more from BMW than anyone knew. The M.O. goes like this: Throw the sportiest, most expensive car at the class. The enthusiast journalists will always bite the performance bait and ultimately they won't be writing the monthly checks and so care only theoretically about the cost.

    Nice car, though.

    Comparison

    Top 6 Features

    When it comes to sport sedan features, we considered a mix of performance items first and convenience features second. Keep in mind that anything that's standard on both vehicles isn't eligible. Obviously, options like an iPod connection and keyless ignition are worthwhile features, but we consider equipment like a limited-slip differential to be a little more essential. Each car received points based on whether our chosen features were standard or optional, and no points if it wasn't available at all.

    Features
      Audi S4 BMW 335i
    Limited-slip rear differential O N/A
    Adjustable suspension O N/A
    All-wheel drive S O*
    Navigation O O*
    iPod integration S O
    Keyless ignition O O

    Key:
    S: Standard
    O: Optional
    O*: Optional but not equipped on test vehicle
    N/A: Not Available

    Limited-slip rear differential: Power is useless if you can't put it down to the ground. With a limited-slip differential, torque is directed to the wheels that have the most traction, a useful feature when you're powering out of a corner. The Audi's optional Active Sport Differential actually works to steer the car into turns by sending torque to the outer wheels. Although BMW has a similar type of differential in the M3, it's not offered in the 335i.

    Adjustable suspension: We're not always fans of adjustable suspension setups, but since these are performance sport sedans, we figured it's worth the cost. As capable as both cars are with standard setups, they start to get a little wobbly when pushed close to their limits. The Audi's Drive Select system offers individual control of the steering, throttle sensitivity and damper settings. Again, the BMW M3 offers a similar system, but it hasn't trickled down to the 335i options list yet.

    All-wheel drive: This is no longer only an all-weather option. Audi's all-wheel-drive system has progressed to the point where it's equally effective on perfectly dry pavement, and it's standard on the S4. BMW's xDrive system is similar, but optional on the 335i.

    Navigation: Not essential, but certainly nice to have, a full-features navigation system should be standard at this price level. It's optional on both cars. The S4 had one, the BMW didn't.

    iPod integration: This is quickly becoming a default feature for just about any car these days. Plug in your iPod and your whole playlist is instantly available through the factory interface. It's standard on the S4, optional on the BMW.

    Keyless ignition: Clearly this has nothing to do with performance. This is one of those relatively simple features that we've grown to appreciate now that the various systems have been refined. No fumbling for keys; just pull the door handle, push the start button and you're gone. It's optional on both cars and they both had it.

    Comparison

    Final Rankings and Scoring Explanation

    Final Rankings
    Item Weight Audi S4 BMW 335i
    Personal Rating 2.5% 100.0 50.0
    Recommended Rating 2.5% 75.0 75.0
    Evaluation Score 25% 78.6 78.0
    Feature Content 20% 77.8 33.3
    Performance 25% 100.0 92.2
    Fuel Consumption 5% 100.0 95.2
    Price 20% 80.1 100.0
    Total Score 100.0% 85.6 77.1
    Final Ranking 1 2


    Personal Rating (2.5%): Purely subjective. After the test, each participating editor was asked to rank the vehicles in order of preference based on which he or she would buy if money were no object.

    Recommended Rating (2.5%): After the test, each participating editor was asked to rank the vehicles in order of preference based on which he or she thought would be best for the average consumer shopping in this segment.

    28-Point Evaluation (25%): Each participating editor ranked each vehicle based on a comprehensive 28-point evaluation. The evaluation covered everything from exterior design to cupholders. Scoring was calculated on a point system, and the scores listed are averages based on all test participants' evaluations.

    Feature Content (20%): For this category, the editors picked the top six features they thought would be most beneficial to the consumer shopping in this segment. For each vehicle, the score was based on the number of actual features it had versus the total possible. Standard and optional equipment were taken into consideration.

    Performance Testing (25%): Both cars were put through a comprehensive battery of instrumented tests, including 0-60-mph acceleration, quarter-mile runs and panic stops from 60 mph. They were also run through a 600-foot slalom course to test transitional handling, and around a skid pad to determine ultimate grip. Each car was awarded points based on how close it came to the better-performing sedan's score in each category.

    Fuel Consumption (5%): The scores listed are the result of a simple percentage calculation based on the car with the highest EPA combined fuel economy rating. The Audi had a slight edge in this regard thanks to ratings of 18 city and 27 highway versus the BMW's ratings of 17 city and 26 highway.

    Price (20%): The numbers listed were the result of a simple percentage calculation based on the less-expensive vehicle in the comparison test. Using the "as tested" prices of the actual evaluation vehicles, the less expensive vehicle received a score of 100, with the remaining vehicle receiving a lesser score based on how much each one costs.

    Comparison

    Data and Charts

    Dimensions
    Engine & Transmission Specifications
    Warranty Information
    Performance Information


    Dimensions
    Exterior Dimensions & Capacities
      Audi S4 BMW 335i
    Length, in. 185.2 178.2
    Width, in. 71.5 71.9
    Height, in. 56.2 55.9
    Wheelbase, in. 110.6 108.7
    As Tested Curb Weight, lb. 3,984 3,607
    Turning Circle, ft. 37.4 36.1


    Interior Dimensions
      Audi S4 BMW 335i
    Front headroom, in. 40.0 38.5
    Rear headroom, in. 37.5 37.5
    Front shoulder room, in. 55.5 55.4
    Rear shoulder room, in. 54.3 55.1
    Front legroom, in. 41.3 41.5
    Rear legroom, in. 35.2 34.6
    Cargo volume, cu-ft. 12.0 12.0
    Max cargo volume, cu-ft. 34.0 12.0


    Engine & Transmission Specifications
    Engine & Transmission
      Audi S4 BMW 335i
    Displacement
    (cc / cu-in):
    2995 cc 2979 cc
    Engine Type Supercharged V6 Twin-turbo inline-6
    Horsepower (SAE) @ rpm 333 @ 5,500 300 @ 5,800
    Max. Torque, lb-ft @ rpm 325 @ 2,900 300 @ 1,400
    Transmission 6-speed manual 6-speed manual
    EPA Fuel Economy City, mpg 18.0 17.0
    EPA Fuel Economy Hwy, mpg 27.0 26.0
    Observed Fuel Economy combined, mpg n/a n/a


    Warranty
    Warranty Information
      Audi S4 BMW 335i
    Basic Warranty 4 years/50,000 miles 4 years/50,000 miles
    Powertrain 4 years/50,000 miles 4 years/50,000 miles
    Roadside Assistance 4 years 4 years/unlimited
    Corrosion Protection 12 years 12 years


    Performance
    Performance Information
      Audi S4 BMW 335i
    0-60 mph acceleration, sec. 4.9 5.3
    Quarter-mile acceleration, sec. 13.2 13.5
    Quarter-mile speed, mph 106.1 103.8
    60-0-mph braking, feet 109 111
    Lateral Acceleration, g 0.92 0.92
    600-ft slalom, mph 68.8 68.4


    Comparison

    Editors' Evaluations

    Evaluation - Drive
    Evaluation - Ride
    Evaluation - Design
    Evaluation - Function

    Evaluation - Drive

    Overall Dynamics
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.3 2
    2009 BMW 335i 8.4 1

    Engine Performance
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 9.0 1
    2009 BMW 335i 8.8 2

    Transmission Performance
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.0 2
    2009 BMW 335i 8.3 1

    Brake Performance
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.5 1
    2009 BMW 335i 8.5 1

    Steering Performance
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.5 2
    2009 BMW 335i 8.8 1

    Handling
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.3 1
    2009 BMW 335i 8.0 2

    Fun to Drive
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.8 1
    2009 BMW 335i 8.3 2

    Evaluation - Ride

    Overall Comfort
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.8 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.5 2

    Ride Comfort
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.5 1
    2009 BMW 335i 8.5 1

    Wind Noise
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.0 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.0 1

    Road Noise
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.0 2
    2009 BMW 335i 7.3 1

    Front Seat Comfort/Space/Access
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.8 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.8 1

    Rear Seat Comfort/Space/Access
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.3 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.0 2

    Driving Position
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.3 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.5 2

    Evaluation - Design

    Overall Design & Build Quality
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.8 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.8 2

    Exterior Design
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.0 2
    2009 BMW 335i 8.5 1

    Interior Design
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.8 1
    2009 BMW 335i 8.0 2

    Interior Materials
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.3 1
    2009 BMW 335i 8.0 2

    Interior Control Tactile Feel
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.0 1
    2009 BMW 335i 8.0 1

    Squeaks & Rattles
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.0 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.0 1

    Panel Fitment & Gaps
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.0 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.0 1


    Evaluation - Function

    Overall Function
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.5 2
    2009 BMW 335i 7.5 1

    Headlamp Illumination
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.0 2
    2009 BMW 335i 8.3 1

    Visibility
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.8 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.5 2

    Instrument Panel (IP) Layout
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.5 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.5 1

    Climate Control Layout
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.5 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.5 1

    Audio System Layout
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.3 2
    2009 BMW 335i 8.0 1

    Secondary Control Layout
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.3 2
    2009 BMW 335i 8.5 1

    Interior Storage
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 8.0 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.0 2

    Cupholders
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.0 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.0 1

    Standard Cargo / Trunk Space
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.3 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.0 2

    Maximum Cargo Space
    Vehicle Score Rank
    2010 Audi S4 7.3 1
    2009 BMW 335i 7.0 2

    tallers23 says:

    08:28 AM, 11/15/2009

    You can't compare the stats nor price of the S4 and the M3.  Optioned similarly they are worlds apart. Also, one is a V8 the other a V6. Don't even ask about MPG.

    I owned a 330i, then an '02 M3, and currently own a '04 545i. I'm in the market for a new daily commuter and test drove the S4 yesterday. It does need an AWE Tuning exhaust but otherwise is a real nice machine. I was worried about the back seat room compared to my 5 but with the driver (6') seat set, there was room for my knees in the back. Handling was tight and plenty of pep.

    You really can't compare this car with the 335 since it lacks awd. Pricewise, all options included, compare it with the 335IX. There will be a difference.

    I'm a german car guy and it may be time to try an Audi. If you're looking to compare the M3, wait for the RS4. Audi didn't build the S4 to compete with the M3.

    frommx5tomz3 says:

    03:05 PM, 11/11/2009

    After all this commentary about the price differential, I decided to get to the most important price differential - the one based on the options I actually would pay for.  Here is my list of "must haves" (yours will likely be different):

    Manual tranny
    Sport suspension
    Sport seats with leather
    Upgraded stereo with ipod interface and sat radio
    Heated seats
    Fold down rear seats
    Metallic paint
    Wood trim
    Bluetooth

    Notice I wouldn't pay extra for AWD and I would not order Nav, keyless entry, or advanced cruise control (heck I don't use basic cruise).  Including destination, according to Edmunds, configured like this, these two cars are almost identical in price.  

    335i = $49,100
    S4 = $49,075

    I suppose if you require Audi Drive Select or keyless entry, this equation might change a lot.  Similarly, if you must have AWD, things might swing the other way.  But I am guessing that for MOST people, these cars are pretty similar in price once they are optioned out to their liking and no more.  I bet that 95% of all "apples to apples" option configurations put these cars within $2-3K of each other.  I'm not sure which is best, but I can say with certainty that sticker price would not be the deciding factor for me.

    kl_beast says:

    01:22 PM, 11/11/2009

    Oh, BTW, the best form of flattery is imitation.  Thanks Audi!

    I forgot, the best form of flattery is jealously.  Thanks Audi fans!

    kl_beast says:

    01:12 PM, 11/11/2009

    So many BMW haters on this blog.  There's a reason the 3-series is the "benchmark" for Audi, Lexus, Mercedes, etc.  S4 should be compared to the M3, not the 335i.  Period, end of story.

    truecarfan says:

    10:27 AM, 10/25/2009

    ba27 - you explained it well enough so I'll just piggyback on what you said...

    magbarn - Who buys a stripped down M3??  If you want to look at it from the reverse of what ba27 pointed out to you - ask yourself how much an M3 would cost if it had the same features of the S4???  You'll be paying MUCH more.

    Case in point - I have a good friend who about the A4 2.0 Prestige and it is MUCH more luxurious than the 335i.  That friend spent time in a 6-series and feels their new A4 is more luxurious in terms of materials.  They pointed out that the MMI is vastly superior to the I-Drive.  You can watch DVD's in the Audi and sample how good a movie sounds through the Bang & Olufsen audio system!! Also, their 3-D navigation makes all other systems look like an old Atari.

    This test was strictly on performance by numbers and real-world.  The Audi won.  If you want to include luxury and day to day useability (the Audi is roomier, bigger trunk, better safety rating etc.) - the gap would undoubtedly be bigger - with less of a price difference.

    ba27 says:

    03:59 PM, 10/22/2009

    Magbarn:  There was no kow-towing.  ALL the S4s in the press fleet were loaded with every available option.  They're new - it's no surprise that the first cars across the water were loaded.  The 335i was relatively lightly-optioned, making the "as-tested" prices wildly different, and not representative of comparably-equipped cars.  C&D understands this, as does Edmunds.

    An excerpt from C&D's comparison test:

    "... the $41,125 BMW 335i with its 300-hp, twin-turbo inline-six is the S4's new, lower-priced doppelgänger. But watch the little print. The BMW doesn't match the S4's standard equipment until you add the Premium pack ($2650), the Sport pack ($2150), the Cold Weather pack ($1150), and $995 in iPod interfaces and satellite radio.......Forget the Audi's as-tested price of $59,425 and the BMW's $49,320 tab. This story is about how a $50,675 Audi S4 (the base price plus the performance-vital Audi drive select.... ) ...meets a $48,470 BMW 335i (base price plus all the requisite options to match the S4's standard equipment) on virtually equal treads."

    Comparably-equipped, the 335i and S4 are only ~$2.2K apart in price.

    The S4 would be more like $10K cheaper than a comparably-equipped M3, BTW.

    magbarn says:

    03:29 PM, 10/22/2009

    truecarfan says:
    07:56 AM, 10/22/2009
    magbarn - I find it very ironic that BMW fans would argue over price.  When the Japanese automakers started making competent performance and luxury cars the argument was "well the BMW costs more because it's more 'special' - so you have to pay more if you want the best".  I always defended BMW fans because I agreed with that thinking.  Now when it's BMW on the short end to a more expensive Audi (as has happened before) - the argument becomes "oh but the BMW is the better value".  Well that is arguable anyway - but it is VERY hypocritical without question.
    Using your argument then - it's better that everybody drive an Infiniti G37 - since that's the best value in the class.  If you are on a budget then yes....but if you want the best - then you have to pay for it!!

    Then why not pay the little extra (less than 10% in this price range) and take the superior M3 over the S4.  Get a sweet 400+ HP NA V8 (albeit gas thirsty) FREE MAINTENANCE (a big deal with these expensive cars) for not much more coin.  My main beef is the mags all kow-towed to Audi and compared the S4 vs. the cheaper 335i when they could've compared against a M3.  Why don't we compare an A4 next time vs. the 335i which costs $10K more next time?

    ba27 says:

    08:22 AM, 10/22/2009

    The only hate on here is coming from BMW fanbois who can't accept that the 335i lost this comparison.  

    The 335i is a fantastic car; it's just not AS fantastic as the (similarly priced when similarly equipped) new S4.

    truecarfan says:

    07:56 AM, 10/22/2009

    magbarn - I find it very ironic that BMW fans would argue over price.  When the Japanese automakers started making competent performance and luxury cars the argument was "well the BMW costs more because it's more 'special' - so you have to pay more if you want the best".  I always defended BMW fans because I agreed with that thinking.  Now when it's BMW on the short end to a more expensive Audi (as has happened before) - the argument becomes "oh but the BMW is the better value".  Well that is arguable anyway - but it is VERY hypocritical without question.
    Using your argument then - it's better that everybody drive an Infiniti G37 - since that's the best value in the class.  If you are on a budget then yes....but if you want the best - then you have to pay for it!!

    magbarn says:

    12:45 AM, 10/22/2009

    What's with all the hate on the 335i?  These obviously Audi sponsored S4 vs. 335i comparos are lame.  (Even edmunds admitted Audi DID NOT WANT THE M3 in their comparos!) The S4's priced out in these comparos are about the same as a lightly optioned M3.  In other words a $59K S4 vs. $59K M3 sedan will have the M3 WINNING EVERY TIME.  I don't care about the next RS4 which is going to be another $10K on top the M3.

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    Vehicle
    MakeAudi
    ModelS4
    Model year2010
    StylePremium Plus Quattro 4dr Sedan AWD (3.0L 6cyl S/C 6M)
    Base MSRP$46,725
    As-tested MSRP$59,150
    Options on test vehiclePrestige, Driver Assist Package, Audi Drive Select Package, Silk Napa Leather Seats, Metallic/Pearl Effect Paint.
    Drive typeAll-wheel drive
    Transmission typeSix-speed manual
    Transmission and axle ratios (x:1)I=3.667:1, II=2.158:1, III=1.520:1, IV=0.133:1, V=0.919:1, VI=0.778:1
    Engine typeV6
    Displacement (cc/cu-in)2,995cc (183 cu-in)
    Block/head materialAluminum/aluminum
    ValvetrainDouble overhead camshaft
    Compression ratio (x:1)10.3
    Redline (rpm)7,000 rpm
    Horsepower (hp @ rpm)333 @ 5,500
    Torque (lb-ft @ rpm)325 @ 2,900
    Brakes, frontVentilated disc
    Brakes, rearDisc
    Steering typeElectric speed-proportional power steering
    Steering ratio (x:1)16.5:1
    Suspension, frontMultilink
    Suspension, rearMultilink
    Tire size, front255/35R19
    Tire size, rear255/35R19
    Tire brandDunlop
    Tire modelSP Sport Maxx GT
    Tire typePerformance
    Wheel size19-by-8.5 inches
    Wheel materialAlloy
    Curb weight, mfr. claim (lbs.)3,847
    Curb weight, as-tested (lbs.)3,984
    Weight distribution, F/R (%)56/44
    Fuel typePremium unleaded (recommended)
    Fuel tank capacity (gal)16.9
    EPA fuel economy (mpg)18 city/27 highway
    Edmunds observed (mpg)15.9
    Conditions for Testing
    Temperature (°F)70.56
    Humidity67%
    Elevation (ft.)1,121
    Wind (mph, direction)1.62 mph headwind
    Performance
    0 - 30 (sec.)1.9 (2.2 with stability control on)
    0 - 45 (sec.)3.3 (3.6 with stability control on)
    0 - 60 (sec.)4.9 (5.2 with stability control on)
    0 - 75 (sec.)7.2 (7.5 with stability control on)
    1/4 mile (sec. @ mph)13.2 @ 106.1 (13.4 @ 106.0 with stability control on)
    0-60 with 1-ft rollout (sec.)4.6 (4.8 with stability control on)
    30 - 0 (ft.)27
    60 - 0 (ft.)109
    Braking ratingExcellent
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft (mph)68.8 (67.2 with stability control on)
    Skid pad, 200 ft diameter (lateral g)0.90 (0.92 with stability control on)
    Handling ratingExcellent
    Sound level @ idle (db)36.3
    Sound level @ full throttle (db)76.4
    Sound level @ 70 mph cruise (db)63.0
    Acceleration commentsTurning off stability/traction control also removes launch rev limiter. However, electronics still protect drivetrain once the clutch comes out through throttle manipulation and clutch damping. Very respectable numbers with stability control on or off. Incredibly responsive engine. Good shifter.
    Braking commentsSolid pedal has more mechanical feel than some competitors. Loud ABS. Consistent, fade-free stops.
    Handling commentsAll handling tests with Drive Select in Dynamic mode. Somewhat erratic front grip (perhaps due to varying torque split?) makes driving around the skid pad more difficult and less predictable than some RWD competitors. With stability control on , however, it works awesomely on skid pad. Requires neutral throttle or acceleration with stability control off through slalom. Otherwise, it will go backward -- probably a useful trick on the track or back roads.
    Specifications
    Length (in.)185.2
    Width (in.)71.9
    Height (in.)56.2
    Wheelbase (in.)110.6
    Front Track (in.)61.6
    Rear Track (in.)61.1
    Turning circle (ft)37.4
    Headroom, front (in.)40.0
    Headroom, rear (in.)37.5
    Shoulder room, front (in.)55.5
    Shoulder room, rear (in.)54.3
    Seating capacity5
    Cargo volume (cu-ft)12.0
    Max. cargo volume, seats folded (cu-ft)34.0
    Warranty Information
    Bumper-to-bumper4 years/50,000 miles
    Powertrain4 years/50,000 miles
    Corrosion12 years/Unlimited miles
    Roadside assistance4 years/Unlimited miles
    Scheduled maintenance1 year/5,000 miles
    Safety Information
    Front airbagsStandard
    Side airbagsStandard dual front
    Head airbagsStandard front and rear
    Knee airbagsNot available
    Antilock brakes4-wheel ABS
    Electronic brake enhancementsBraking assist, electronic brakeforce distribution
    Traction controlStandard
    Stability controlStandard
    Rollover protectionStandard
    Tire-pressure monitoring systemTire-pressure monitoring
    Emergency assistance systemNot available
    NHTSA crash test, driver5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, passenger5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, side front5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, side rear5 stars
    NHTSA rollover resistance5 stars
    IIHS OffsetGood
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    Vehicle
    MakeBMW
    Model3 Series
    Model year2009
    Style335i 4dr Sedan (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
    Base MSRP$41,125
    As-tested MSRP$49,320
    Options on test vehicleCold Weather, Premium and Sport packages, Comfort Access, Park Distance Control, iPod/USB adapter, Satellite Radio
    Drive typeRear-wheel drive
    Transmission typeSix-speed manual
    Transmission and axle ratios (x:1)I = 4.055 II = 2.396 III = 1.582 IV = 1.192 V = 1.000 VI = 0.872 R = 3.677 Final = 3.077
    Engine typeInline-6
    Displacement (cc/cu-in)2,979cc (182 cu-in)
    Block/head materialAluminum/aluminum
    ValvetrainDouble overhead camshaft
    Compression ratio (x:1)10.2
    Redline (rpm)7,000
    Horsepower (hp @ rpm)300 @ 5,800
    Torque (lb-ft @ rpm)300 @ 1,400
    Brakes, frontVentilated disc
    Brakes, rearVentilated disc
    Steering typeSpeed-proportional power steering
    Steering ratio (x:1)4.055
    Suspension, frontMacPherson strut
    Suspension, rearMultilink
    Tire size, front225/40R18
    Tire size, rear255/35R18
    Tire brandBridgestone
    Tire modelREO50A
    Tire typeSummer Performance
    Wheel size17-by-8 inches front and rear
    Wheel materialAlloy
    Curb weight, mfr. claim (lbs.)3,594
    Curb weight, as-tested (lbs.)3,607
    Weight distribution, F/R (%)51/49
    Fuel typePremium unleaded (required)
    Fuel tank capacity (gal)16.1
    EPA fuel economy (mpg)17 city/26 highway
    Edmunds observed (mpg)n/a
    Conditions for Testing
    Temperature (°F)74
    Humidity29%
    Elevation (ft.)421
    Wind (mph, direction)3.12
    Performance
    0 - 30 (sec.)2.1
    0 - 45 (sec.)3.6
    0 - 60 (sec.)5.3
    0 - 75 (sec.)7.8
    1/4 mile (sec. @ mph)13.5 @ 103.8
    0-60 with 1-ft rollout (sec.)4.9
    30 - 0 (ft.)27
    60 - 0 (ft.)111
    Braking ratingExcellent
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft (mph)68.4
    Skid pad, 200 ft diameter (lateral g)0.92
    Handling ratingExcellent
    Sound level @ idle (db)43.1
    Sound level @ full throttle (db)80
    Sound level @ 70 mph cruise (db)64
    Acceleration commentsNothing unusual here: Get it right and the best acceleration comes with wheel hop through 1st gear. Engine is as seamless and responsive as ever. Shifter is, well, perfect.
    Braking commentsBrakes work without a labored breath. They could do this all day. Very good feel.
    Handling commentsSkid pad: Easily approachable limits. Good balance and quite intuitive to drive near the edge of rear grip. Textbook RWD excellence. Needs LSD for big powerslides, though. Slalom: Feels softer than Audi S4 through transitions but gives up very little in outright speed. Intuitive control feel and excellent feedback.
    Specifications
    Length (in.)178.2
    Width (in.)71.5
    Height (in.)55.9
    Wheelbase (in.)108.7
    Front Track (in.)59.1
    Rear Track (in.)59.6
    Turning circle (ft)36.1
    Legroom, front (in.)41.5
    Legroom, rear (in.)34.6
    Headroom, front (in.)38.5
    Headroom, rear (in.)37.5
    Shoulder room, front (in.)55.4
    Shoulder room, rear (in.)55.1
    Seating capacity5
    Cargo volume (cu-ft)12.0
    Max. cargo volume, seats folded (cu-ft)12.0
    Warranty Information
    Bumper-to-bumper4 years/50,000 miles
    Powertrain4 years/50,000 miles
    Corrosion12 years/Unlimited miles
    Roadside assistance4 years/Unlimited miles
    Scheduled maintenance4 years/50,000 miles
    Safety Information
    Front airbagsStandard
    Side airbagsStandard dual front
    Head airbagsStandard front and rear
    Knee airbagsNot Available
    Antilock brakesFour-wheel ABS
    Electronic brake enhancementsBraking assist, electronic brakeforce distribution
    Traction controlStandard
    Stability controlStandard
    Tire-pressure monitoring systemTire-pressure monitoring
    Emergency assistance systemNot Available
    NHTSA crash test, driver4 stars
    NHTSA crash test, passenger4 stars
    NHTSA crash test, side front5 stars
    NHTSA crash test, side rear5 stars
    NHTSA rollover resistance4 stars
    IIHS OffsetGood
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